Envoy 2020
01-18-2020, 04:54 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
Right, but with this bid, several LGA FO's will transfer to other bases leaving backfills to be filled by new hires. Every FO position has at least 1 reserve for every 2 lineholders. Over staffing is the Envoy way.
01-18-2020, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
Envoy pilots getting hired off the street decreases flow, not increase. Since we will be flowing based on the lower of a percentage of pilots on the seniority list. If we got all the way down to 480 pilots at Envoy it would still be an 8 year flow, becauce it's the lesser of pilots on property or based on 25% of Americans hiring, not the greater of. After DOS guys leaving above you does nothing to help your flow date.
Pilots leaving on top of you will speed the flow if Management can keep up with the attrition with new hires. If they cant then pilots leaving either side of you will theoretically slow your flow date.
01-18-2020, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
Pilots leaving on top of you will speed the flow if Management can keep up with the attrition with new hires. If they cant then pilots leaving either side of you will theoretically slow your flow date.
01-18-2020, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
Correct. If they can keep new hire rates higher than attrtition your flow will stay the same/be quicker. However if they can't keep up with attrtition your flow will slow down. We'll just have to see what happens this year.
01-18-2020, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
Envoy pilots getting hired off the street decreases flow, not increase. Since we will be flowing based on the lower of a percentage of pilots on the seniority list. If we got all the way down to 480 pilots at Envoy it would still be an 8 year flow, becauce it's the lesser of pilots on property or based on 25% of Americans hiring, not the greater of. After DOS guys leaving above you does nothing to help your flow date.
01-18-2020, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Everyone’s argument for decreased flow time don’t take into account the facts of this flow formula. As body count goes down, so does flow. And to the best of my knowledge, the arbitrated adjustment of a few per month of the PPs and the increase to the 10/11 group, adjustments to flow don’t affect current groups, any new agreements will affect new pilots. And there is still a lot of pilots that will have to flow at the lower rates.
01-18-2020, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Do you by chance know the seniority numbers that are flowing? Would be a good gauge to determine time frames.
01-18-2020, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but you can check the flow through selection page on the envoy website under flight.
01-18-2020, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Do you by chance know the seniority numbers that are flowing? Would be a good gauge to determine time frames.
01-18-2020, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Those who had the next class date as well as everyone who has been selected for flow were highlighted in the document that the union posted last week on the ALPA website including their seniority numbers.
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