Envoy 2020
01-17-2020 | 12:40 PM
#21
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Simple. Retirements. Go take a look at the AA retirements over the next 3 years alone and get back to me. The flow will be enhanced greatly. For one, look at the loads of pipeline instructor talent Envoy has on the sideline matriculating in as fast as training can CURRENTLY process them. Those guys are being hired for American Airlines and as I've said before, Envoy has the corner market on the pipeline program. It has proven to be the best thing since sliced bread. I'm personally an advocate of Envoy hiring ONLY pipeline candidates. Why hire a military guy who just needs to get the 121 time on the resume and will leave soon after? Or, is it necessary to hire Jim Bob Moses who has been flying a Baron for Wildcatter Oil as an Envoy/AA pilot? The answer is no. He doesn't fit the mold at all. And with the pipeline numbers in the waiting room, there are your AA pilots.
Can you please have a meeting with your contacts to give us “The Envoy” pilots an AA # now, so we don’t jump ship for a moms and pops joint like an ACMI or ULCC.
01-17-2020 | 01:01 PM
#23
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Anyways, to get this forum back on track, any potential New Hires can expect the 175.
102 175 FO slots
55 145 FO slots
Nothing for NY either, not that it'd be hard to transfer there if you want it.
102 175 FO slots
55 145 FO slots
Nothing for NY either, not that it'd be hard to transfer there if you want it.
01-17-2020 | 02:15 PM
#24
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Simple. Retirements. Go take a look at the AA retirements over the next 3 years alone and get back to me. The flow will be enhanced greatly. For one, look at the loads of pipeline instructor talent Envoy has on the sideline matriculating in as fast as training can CURRENTLY process them. Those guys are being hired for American Airlines and as I've said before, Envoy has the corner market on the pipeline program. It has proven to be the best thing since sliced bread. I'm personally an advocate of Envoy hiring ONLY pipeline candidates. Why hire a military guy who just needs to get the 121 time on the resume and will leave soon after? Or, is it necessary to hire Jim Bob Moses who has been flying a Baron for Wildcatter Oil as an Envoy/AA pilot? The answer is no. He doesn't fit the mold at all. And with the pipeline numbers in the waiting room, there are your AA pilots.
Everyone knows the flow is not to staff AA.
That doesn’t explain the math of how Envoy gets them there. Especially doesn’t explain how you can decrease the amount of time when hiring twice as many as flowing.
But with the new vacancy, as well as the line count forecast, just proved you wrong about MIA, so I guess your info is, as everyone has said, nothing but BS propaganda.
You admitted you were a little bit of a KoolAid drinker. Maybe you need your memory refreshed. There were only a few that survived and they DIDN’T drink the KoolAid. They escaped. So you just keep chug a lugging.
01-17-2020 | 02:17 PM
#25
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From: Flying with my right hand again
Those slots are more for facilitating base transfers. They can quickly become meaningless when new hires show up to class. New hires should still expect ORD 175 and LGA 145 for the near future.
01-17-2020 | 06:19 PM
#27
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Joined: Jul 2016
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Simple. Retirements. Go take a look at the AA retirements over the next 3 years alone and get back to me. The flow will be enhanced greatly. For one, look at the loads of pipeline instructor talent Envoy has on the sideline matriculating in as fast as training can CURRENTLY process them. Those guys are being hired for American Airlines and as I've said before, Envoy has the corner market on the pipeline program. It has proven to be the best thing since sliced bread. I'm personally an advocate of Envoy hiring ONLY pipeline candidates. Why hire a military guy who just needs to get the 121 time on the resume and will leave soon after? Or, is it necessary to hire Jim Bob Moses who has been flying a Baron for Wildcatter Oil as an Envoy/AA pilot? The answer is no. He doesn't fit the mold at all. And with the pipeline numbers in the waiting room, there are your AA pilots.
01-17-2020 | 07:44 PM
#29
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Envoy pilots getting hired off the street decreases flow, not increase. Since we will be flowing based on the lower of a percentage of pilots on the seniority list. If we got all the way down to 480 pilots at Envoy it would still be an 8 year flow, becauce it's the lesser of pilots on property or based on 25% of Americans hiring, not the greater of. After DOS guys leaving above you does nothing to help your flow date.
01-17-2020 | 11:58 PM
#30
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From: Flying with my right hand again
Right, but with this bid, several LGA FO's will transfer to other bases leaving backfills to be filled by new hires. Every FO position has at least 1 reserve for every 2 lineholders. Over staffing is the Envoy way.
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