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AeroEnvoy 07-14-2020 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3091623)
Get yourself NY based before the furloughs and layoffs. Higher unemployment, and other benefits unique to New York and New Cork City.

I highly doubt I’ll get furloughed but that’s good to know in case envoy ever goes under.

Cyio 08-03-2020 06:22 AM

OCL/OFL enjoy your 69 lines for September...

Reserve list should be interesting with all the new displacements. Not sure on the count but we are going to be very heavy on pilots.

uavking 08-03-2020 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3104176)
OCL/OFL enjoy your 69 lines for September...

Reserve list should be interesting with all the new displacements. Not sure on the count but we are going to be very heavy on pilots.

For new guys who are thinking this is the apocalypse: September is always slower in this industry because it's a shoulder month for travel. What will be more telling is our flying in October and forward.

Ed Bastian of Delta just had a live interview with David Ignatius of the Washington Post this morning about the state of the airline industry. Among other things, Bastian mentioned that Delta doesn't forecast business travel returning until mid-year 2021. Granted, this is at an airline that has created a revenue premium around business travelers, while we chase bottom dollar, but it's not a good indicator for us either.

pitchattitude 08-03-2020 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 3104240)
For new guys who are thinking this is the apocalypse: September is always slower in this industry because it's a shoulder month for travel. What will be more telling is our flying in October and forward.

Ed Bastian of Delta just had a live interview with David Ignatius of the Washington Post this morning about the state of the airline industry. Among other things, Bastian mentioned that Delta doesn't forecast business travel returning until mid-year 2021. Granted, this is at an airline that has created a revenue premium around business travelers, while we chase bottom dollar, but it's not a good indicator for us either.

To that end of chasing the “ULLC First class” pax, American has said the meals in first class may not come back, or will be a much thinner offering.

Cyio 08-03-2020 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3104276)
To that end of chasing the “ULLC First class” pax, American has said the meals in first class may not come back, or will be a much thinner offering.

Just keep shoving cheese down everyone’s throats. Surprised the APA hasnt stopped that for their pilots yet.

senecacaptain 08-03-2020 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 3104240)
For new guys who are thinking this is the apocalypse: September is always slower in this industry because it's a shoulder month for travel. What will be more telling is our flying in October and forward.

Ed Bastian of Delta just had a live interview with David Ignatius of the Washington Post this morning about the state of the airline industry. Among other things, Bastian mentioned that Delta doesn't forecast business travel returning until mid-year 2021. Granted, this is at an airline that has created a revenue premium around business travelers, while we chase bottom dollar, but it's not a good indicator for us either.

my understanding is Sept-Oct-Nov are the busiest business travel months out of the year.

https://www.concur.com/newsroom/arti...usiness-travel

https://travelskills.com/2017/10/31/...usiness-trips/

uavking 08-03-2020 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by senecacaptain (Post 3104308)
my understanding is Sept-Oct-Nov are the busiest business travel months out of the year.

https://www.concur.com/newsroom/arti...usiness-travel

https://travelskills.com/2017/10/31/...usiness-trips/

Yeah, well, October onwards anyway. Geberally speaking this winds up being a fairly smooth transition from all the traditional summer vacation travel.

Now think about all the large pharmaceutical conventions that won't happen this year. The I-bankers flying to close deals. Heck, all of the Walmart suppliers not flying in and out of XNA because they traditionally had to sell product face to face at that company. This is what impacts this industry, not incremental revenue from price sensitive, and loyalty agnostic, vacation travelers. (Who won't have money anyway as reality hits them starting this month. I'm looking at you, Spirit, Frontier, et al.)

highfarfast 08-03-2020 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3104362)
actually February though the first week of April are historically the lowest travel months

I didn't see where he said September was the slowest.

smtx123 08-03-2020 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3104176)
OCL/OFL enjoy your 69 lines for September...

Reserve list should be interesting with all the new displacements. Not sure on the count but we are going to be very heavy on pilots.

Is it 69 or 89? Curious because I was told by a union rep that it was 89.


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