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Cyio 06-26-2020 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3081210)
From what I understand the union says “they have to pay us but just do them for now”

Yeah, the typical fly it and grieve it approach, which essentially means the company can abuse things now and pay up later. Personally I am more of the dont fly it and let them grieve it mentality but hey, what do I know.

My suggestion, just do it and hope the union gets around to it later. Given this is a state issued directive I dont think you will have much wiggle room on it.

MqWhistleblower 06-26-2020 09:45 AM

This fly it and grieve it thing gets old!

Me!? I ain’t doing it

SilentLurker 06-28-2020 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3080749)
"You need a pay cut"

Nah, just cut me loose chief. I'd rather be free agent anyways.


This!!!! Filler

Vne469 07-01-2020 07:13 AM

Where do I submit my 30 min of work for my Illinois required training? Half joking...

3GreenKSNA 07-01-2020 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Vne469 (Post 3083961)
Where do I submit my 30 min of work for my Illinois required training? Half joking...

There is an RF for taxi time. Test the waters, report back.

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jake cutter 07-01-2020 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3080915)
There are newhires waiting to start job-hunting?



Fixed it for you

ClappedOut145 07-02-2020 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Vne469 (Post 3083961)
Where do I submit my 30 min of work for my Illinois required training? Half joking...

File a wage complaint with the State of Illinois. https://www2.illinois.gov/idol/Pages/Complaints.aspx

Cujo665 07-02-2020 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 3081218)
This fly it and grieve it thing gets old!

Me!? I ain’t doing it

It's funny, when I started at Eagle the union used to tell us to tell them, show me where in the contract I'm obligated to do that? When they couldn't it became, well if I'm not obligated then it's just a request, and I'm not agreeing to the request.
If they pointed to some section that was uber vague and they were taking liberties, we were told to remind them they aren't your supervisor, and to request to be connected to a chief pilot who would make the call. Always remain polite.
Somehow, somewhere it became fly it and grieve it.... never ever understood that. If the CBA was clear, then you weren't obligated. seemed pretty simple. The unclear ones, the Chief Pilot would tell you to do it and then you'd fly it and grieve it. Scheduling was/is not a supervisor.... (at least they used to not be)

dera 07-02-2020 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3084771)
It's funny, when I started at Eagle the union used to tell us to tell them, show me where in the contract I'm obligated to do that? When they couldn't it became, well if I'm not obligated then it's just a request, and I'm not agreeing to the request.
If they pointed to some section that was uber vague and they were taking liberties, we were told to remind them they aren't your supervisor, and to request to be connected to a chief pilot who would make the call. Always remain polite.
Somehow, somewhere it became fly it and grieve it.... never ever understood that. If the CBA was clear, then you weren't obligated. seemed pretty simple. The unclear ones, the Chief Pilot would tell you to do it and then you'd fly it and grieve it. Scheduling was/is not a supervisor.... (at least they used to not be)

No, it did not become that. What you say is exactly how it is today. Tell CS to pound sand, but if CPO tells you to do it, you do it.
Fly it and grieve it happens at every airline.

Cyio 07-02-2020 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3084828)
No, it did not become that. What you say is exactly how it is today. Tell CS to pound sand, but if CPO tells you to do it, you do it.
Fly it and grieve it happens at every airline.

I am not wanting to start a riot or anything over this, more just thought provoking conversation.

Isn't this mindset though giving all the power to the company? I mean listen, most CPO's are going to side with management if it comes down to something operational, even if it is against the CBA or in a grey area. This leaves the door open for us to be taken advantage of in terms of schedule, qol etc. I understand if we are in the right we can still get paid, perhaps get a day off back etc, however we still need to put in all that extra work and time to get what was originally ours back.

To me that seems unfair and has potential to really cause people angst if the right circumstances come up. I mean, what if I have an event I am needed at but the company decides they need me, even though I am legal to say no the CPO tells me to fly it anyway. I guess I just don't understand the mentality, if I know I am right, why do I have to do it?

At the end of the day the company isn't going to let me do things the contract doesn't allow, so why should we allow the same liberties to them? I know this are rare circumstances, but it is worth having a conversation about them nonetheless.


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