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Old 08-10-2020 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LetItBurn
First time poster. Not a long time lurker. Come on here when things are interesting around work, see what the rumors are, but that’s about it. Figured since it’s the end of times maybe I’d join in.

When industry was doing well, pre covid, our raise negotiations were a joke with hostile management and all. And that’s when they actually wanted to give us something. What will it look like when they want something back? I sit in the top 25% of our seniority, so technically short of going out of business I guess I have some job security. But idk if I have the energy for what’s to come. Not sure if I’ll be able to get out, but I am looking at options. Anyone else thinking of leaving the rat race?
Number one, Envoy's gonna be just fine. And you are too. Unfortunately the guys in this industry who need to worry are at FFD carriers. The WOs, most especially Envoy eventually as a 175 only powerhouse carrier isn't going anywhere. This pandemic is completely overblown and it's evident now that the citizens aren't going to put up with any additional shutdowns. As soon as the more restrictive states wise up, and they will, and end their ridiculous quarantines, domestic travel at least will resume and climb toward the 50% range by the end of the year with the holiday season. Hopefully the public appetite for total shutdowns of Vegas, Disney, sports, etc. will push these entities to reopen in full ASAP which should begin to push beyond that 50% number as the recovery gains momentum.

In other words, what I just said above bodes VERY well for Envoy. No need to hang up the headset just yet.
Old 08-10-2020 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
Number one, Envoy's gonna be just fine. And you are too. Unfortunately the guys in this industry who need to worry are at FFD carriers. The WOs, most especially Envoy eventually as a 175 only powerhouse carrier isn't going anywhere. This pandemic is completely overblown and it's evident now that the citizens aren't going to put up with any additional shutdowns. As soon as the more restrictive states wise up, and they will, and end their ridiculous quarantines, domestic travel at least will resume and climb toward the 50% range by the end of the year with the holiday season. Hopefully the public appetite for total shutdowns of Vegas, Disney, sports, etc. will push these entities to reopen in full ASAP which should begin to push beyond that 50% number as the recovery gains momentum.

In other words, what I just said above bodes VERY well for Envoy. No need to hang up the headset just yet.
You surely need to look into the white house press secretary job.
5 million cases and look at what you're here saying.
Old 08-10-2020 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Helij3t
You surely need to look into the white house press secretary job.
5 million cases and look at what you're here saying.
Yeah? And so what. In March the docs in charge said if we didn't shutdown we would have 2 to 3 million deaths at worst and with full mitigation, 100 to 200k by May 31st. Here we are in mid August just crossing the 150k mark of deaths, largely from at risk individuals such as older, underlying health conditions, etc. Take a look at the gubmint death numbers and divide by the known case numbers. The death rate is tracking right along with influenza now and dropping. If you are an at risk individual, stay home or take precautions.

5 million cases? So what? We are all going to get it sometime and along with that comes herd immunity where a vaccine isn't really necessary. If you happen to be scared by the media mind meld poisoning, I suggest you take a long term leave and quarantine yourself while the rest of us get on with the business of life bringing the economy back with it.
Old 08-10-2020 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
Number one, Envoy's gonna be just fine. And you are too. Unfortunately the guys in this industry who need to worry are at FFD carriers. The WOs, most especially Envoy eventually as a 175 only powerhouse carrier isn't going anywhere. This pandemic is completely overblown and it's evident now that the citizens aren't going to put up with any additional shutdowns. As soon as the more restrictive states wise up, and they will, and end their ridiculous quarantines, domestic travel at least will resume and climb toward the 50% range by the end of the year with the holiday season. Hopefully the public appetite for total shutdowns of Vegas, Disney, sports, etc. will push these entities to reopen in full ASAP which should begin to push beyond that 50% number as the recovery gains momentum.



In other words, what I just said above bodes VERY well for Envoy. No need to hang up the headset just yet.


Old 08-10-2020 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
Yeah? And so what. In March the docs in charge said if we didn't shutdown we would have 2 to 3 million deaths at worst and with full mitigation, 100 to 200k by May 31st. Here we are in mid August just crossing the 150k mark of deaths, largely from at risk individuals such as older, underlying health conditions, etc. Take a look at the gubmint death numbers and divide by the known case numbers. The death rate is tracking right along with influenza now and dropping. If you are an at risk individual, stay home or take precautions.



5 million cases? So what? We are all going to get it sometime and along with that comes herd immunity where a vaccine isn't really necessary. If you happen to be scared by the media mind meld poisoning, I suggest you take a long term leave and quarantine yourself while the rest of us get on with the business of life bringing the economy back with it.


Ok, can you even define herd immunity? No? Well, herd immunity requires an effective vaccine along the way .

herd im·mu·ni·ty
noun
the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.
"the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent"



The only way IMO damage to this industry (including Envoy) is even remotely mitigated is through a combination of CARES PT 2 and a vaccine announced before those funds run out. Because as fun as the summer numbers have been, big dollar business travel won’t resume until big dollar companies are confident they aren’t sending their money generating lambs to the slaughter. Regardless of your personal opinion on the “media” and masks .
Old 08-10-2020 | 03:36 PM
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herd im·mu·ni·ty
noun
the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.
"the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent"


Here's the definition when google is not used (oxford dictionary):

herd immunity (noun) · herd immunities (plural noun)
  1. resistance to the spread of an infectious disease within a population that is based on pre-existing immunity of a high proportion of individuals as a result of previous infection or vaccination.
    "the level of vaccination needed to achieve herd immunity varies by disease but ranges from 83 to 94 percent"
Those pesky conjunctions can change the whole meaning of a sentence.
Old 08-10-2020 | 06:34 PM
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Well there’s a reason for the emphasis on a vaccine. Assuming you need 50% of the population to get sick and recover (and that percentage is a guess, nobody knows what herd immunity looks like for corona), the health care system would implode. It’s already overwhelmed in many parts of the country with just 5 million cases. You’re talking 150 million+ cases of an extremely transmissible disease. Yes, many are asymptomatic, but still. The vaccine argument for herd immunity makes a lot more sense. Just ask any livestock rancher.
Old 08-10-2020 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jake cutter
Well there’s a reason for the emphasis on a vaccine. Assuming you need 50% of the population to get sick and recover (and that percentage is a guess, nobody knows what herd immunity looks like for corona), the health care system would implode. It’s already overwhelmed in many parts of the country with just 5 million cases. You’re talking 150 million+ cases of an extremely transmissible disease. Yes, many are asymptomatic, but still. The vaccine argument for herd immunity makes a lot more sense. Just ask any livestock rancher.
No hospitals are overwhelmed anywhere with covid patients in the US.
Old 08-11-2020 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
Since this is the Envoy 2020 thread, let’s stop having ****ing matches over who thinks they’re a better epidemiologist, or psychic reader, and talk about the ‘Voy.

Republic is getting shafted out of Miami and Envoy will take over, with 175s there. NY is closing with a full base displacement bid taking place in September, and all 50 seaters parked within the next 12 months.

Debate. Go.
Are those WAGs or inside info?
Old 08-11-2020 | 06:09 AM
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There are equipment related reasons why Envoy cannot totally displace Republic from Miami.
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