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02-01-2020 | 07:21 AM
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People below you less 190 lifers divided by 20 will give you estimated time in months...
attrition - it depends, inside 1000 seniority it is about 1.7 per month extra, so you can use 23-24 if you want to count attrition...
(2380-190)/24=91months with being optimistic (7.6 years)
attrition - it depends, inside 1000 seniority it is about 1.7 per month extra, so you can use 23-24 if you want to count attrition...
(2380-190)/24=91months with being optimistic (7.6 years)
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
02-01-2020 | 07:46 AM
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that doesnt work. Your first year you move up 500 numbers. The important point people dont seem to get in the attrition numbers is the jump in 1000 to 1500 pilots leaving. Thats when you generally start being competitive elsewhere. That means people are not waiting for flow any more. And thats a big change from 1-2 years ago.
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
02-01-2020 | 07:59 AM
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that doesnt work. Your first year you move up 500 numbers. The important point people dont seem to get in the attrition numbers is the jump in 1000 to 1500 pilots leaving. Thats when you generally start being competitive elsewhere. That means people are not waiting for flow any more. And thats a big change from 1-2 years ago.
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
02-01-2020 | 10:06 AM
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that doesnt work. Your first year you move up 500 numbers. The important point people dont seem to get in the attrition numbers is the jump in 1000 to 1500 pilots leaving. Thats when you generally start being competitive elsewhere. That means people are not waiting for flow any more. And thats a big change from 1-2 years ago.
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
the flow does not work as retention tool any more for the 1000+ seniority guys.
Any truth to captains getting paid 2nd year AA fo pay with 16% direct contributions to keep ya' all here? Getting really bone tight on captains.
02-01-2020 | 10:41 AM
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02-01-2020 | 01:18 PM
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Yeah no. This won’t happen unless they are losing so many to attrition they can’t operate. Even then, it’s a long shot.
02-01-2020 | 05:54 PM
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First, PSA will need to get it. Then we'll have talks that the company want to meet with the union to match it. We'll get all excited. The meetings will drag on for 6 months, with the company wanting concessions. Then we'll get an AIP and get all excited again. Then the company will back out. Then a couple months later, we'll get a small pay bump that mostly only applies to the top 500 or so on the seniority list.
02-01-2020 | 09:28 PM
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No... it's not the Envoy way.
First, PSA will need to get it. Then we'll have talks that the company want to meet with the union to match it. We'll get all excited. The meetings will drag on for 6 months, with the company wanting concessions. Then we'll get an AIP and get all excited again. Then the company will back out. Then a couple months later, we'll get a small pay bump that mostly only applies to the top 500 or so on the seniority list.
First, PSA will need to get it. Then we'll have talks that the company want to meet with the union to match it. We'll get all excited. The meetings will drag on for 6 months, with the company wanting concessions. Then we'll get an AIP and get all excited again. Then the company will back out. Then a couple months later, we'll get a small pay bump that mostly only applies to the top 500 or so on the seniority list.
02-01-2020 | 11:14 PM
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