Originally Posted by NoValueAviator

you seem like a guy I could have a beer with to be honest.

Lets all hold the line on this.



Just a little joke. Please chill, I don’t wanna wind up buried in your back yard.

Originally Posted by RJDriver900

Concessions never end well especially for a shiny 175 which at the end of the day is still an RJ lol In my book an RJ is an RJ. Could care less where the engines are located. Pay the right price like any pilot wants and give me the quality of life I want I could care less about the plane itself. QOL and pay is numero uno

Originally Posted by Jdub2

I understand y’all have had issues with communication in the past, certainly we have too. My opinion, worthless as it is, is that there should have been no need to solicit input on this proposal. It should be obvious that it is unacceptable to offer the same terms that ground personnel and flight attendants, although very valuable to the operation, are given considering the sacrifices we’ve had to make for our careers. The loans, years of training, and years of time building are incomparable to other labor groups that again, while valuable, have not made those same sacrifices, do not share our burden, and may be easily and quickly trained.

A quick update that management had submitted a sub par proposal and that negotiations will continue would have sufficed. By tacitly agreeing to this your MEC has devalued yourselves and also our profession. We are not rampers, we are highly trained professionals and we have earned more than a concessionary 19 hours. And now our negotiations, which are still closed to us all, are affected by this offer that has been submitted with at least the appearance of the MEC seal of approval.

Y’all deserve so much more than this offer.

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator

you seem like a guy I could have a beer with to be honest.

Lets all hold the line on this.



Just a little joke. Please chill, I don’t wanna wind up buried in your back yard.

Originally Posted by Cyio

I dont think it could be said any better.

Originally Posted by CLE to IAH

so. You DO care?



edit - nm. It makes sense now. A psa troll over here giving an opinion. Good. I needed more toilet paper.

Originally Posted by dera

I'm just scratching my crystal ball here. I think the other WO's will publish something similar very soon.

Originally Posted by Gooch

Main line bus / 737 pilots that volunteered and were awarded the age 62 early out option just got it yanked by the management. Only giving it to wide body and 190 pilots now. They rebuffed on the original deal after awarding it. Fortuitous indeed. Stay frosty. #GWOTTrapLordz

Originally Posted by pitchattitude

The company may THINK they are targeting military with the CSLOA, but it’s not going to work.

While there may be a VERY small group that can get mil time seemingly on demand, the reality is that those Guard and Reserve people do their required days and not much more. That usually averages out to about six days a month. Most can’t do more than that unless there is a deployment involved, either the actual deployment or train up. Those mil days end up helping out those that are trying to pick up open time because if they’re a line holder, those days end up there in OT, or if they are out for a whole month that means one person lower on the seniority list gets a line.

Most folks still aren’t going to be able to make it on 25% pay plus their normal military days.

Originally Posted by Tomhawker

I’m in a good position to accept the CSLOA, but the 19 hours just isn’t a decent offer. I’ll suck it up and sit reserve until they come up with something better. As far as the military alternative, I doubt there’s enough orders available to support the sudden burst of interest.