Envoy Fellas,

Let's remember a few things here -

First - the phrase "In Unity" means something - badmouthing fellow ALPA pilots, especially those that adhere to the same brand as us, is as best, unclassy. At worst, it's disgusting. It doesn't matter how you interpret previous events, the pilot group at any other ALPA driven airline are your union brothers and sisters.

Second - The MEC consist of a group of Envoy Volunteer pilots. If you don't like what they're doing, volunteer and do things differently. These guys are out there working with information that changes daily, and truly have your best intrust in mind. I will reference yet again my comments above about badmouthing fellow ALPA pilots, only remember these individuals are giving up FREE TIME to solve problems you're unwilling to solve yourselves.

Third - AA and other airlines received favorable paid-leave deals because those were negotiated into their contract. Like it or not, our contract always banked on the side of improving flow vs quality of life. When the world market tanks, the flow tanks. Other unions recognized this to a degree better than we have previously. Let's not forget this lesson moving forward.

Fourth - The federal bill protecting airline pilots jobs may say we're all gainfully employed until October 1, following that, is anyones guess. If members of our pilot group take VOLUNTARY leave in an attempt to take care of themselves, their fellow pilots, and the company, so be it. As scary as May looks with 33 175 lines in Chicago and 0 145 in NY, October's projections are terrifying.

Again - we're all in this together. We'll need to work with PSA, PDT, AAG, ALPA, and yes Envoy to get to working solutions. This is going to be tough. Be together.

I think this is where I'm suppose to say something like "In Unity".

 

I sure hope so. Especially if the offer is accepted, and week later PSA and/or Piedmont gets a better deal.

 

I have a question. If the company was to start furloughing guys would the pilots on the paid leave lose their monthly pay or would the furlough skip over them and go to the next highest seniority number?

 

I really don't care much for or against this deal. There are so SO few people that this wold work for I don't really see it as an issue. For one, it's completely voluntary. It effects no one that doesn't want it, except that if this the only LOA that is ever offered, the fewer people that take it, the more furloughs later. That said, I really do expect better offers later.

For one, if you can bid some seniority of any kind to reserve and you live in base, you'll have the same sort of quality of life as this but with 75 hours pay... why would you even bother with this. Someone out of base but senior would still likely do better than this on reserve, all said. Early permanent leave will make more sense to lifers than this. If you're junior, you can't afford it unless you can 'drop orders', perhaps it makes sense to them... perhaps they're smart enough to say no and wait for something better.

Just saying, let the 10-20 or so pilots this makes sense for decide, the rest of us will wait on something better. I will never mind options we don't take concessions for.

 

Too bad the people negotiating the last agreement were close to flowing and sold us out in their best interest (of getting to dAAddy as quick as possible). They had tunnel vision, they only looked out for themselves and this is why we got a sheet sandwich. So ask me again what “in Unity“ means to me after having to deal with those guys.

Now I do have to admit the new guys in charge have turned things around and have gained the trust of many of us.

 

I don't think you have to wait for a week for their deal.

 

If only you knew everything that was going on at PSA right now...it’s a sh** show within the union itself.....the MEC Chairman isn’t talking to Envoy and Piedmont...he also isn’t talking to anybody else within the union or anyone from the pilot group for that matter. He’s a company dog.

 

this. Mil leave doesn’t grow on trees just when one wants it. In fact, some units are canceling drill since that’s a great way to spread this crap. It’s not essential, but go figure, us flying is.

those that can get good chunks of mil leave are already on it, way removed from all this. Not to say they won’t try to help others.

 

ALPA is NOT a union. It is an association of separate unions. That was made VERY clear to us by ALPA National.

 

Well, it is an union when they collect money to ensure top ALPA National officials can make almost 1M.

In Unity!