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Old 05-07-2020 | 12:09 PM
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So going over some of the seniority lists, it would appear that ORD is going to have a **** ton of reserves in June. I mean 44 lines doesn't come anywhere close to halfway through the list on the 175 there. If you are a commuter, would it be wise to take the horrible 19 hour deal just to avoid commuting in for perpetual reserve?
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Old 05-07-2020 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
So going over some of the seniority lists, it would appear that ORD is going to have a **** ton of reserves in June. I mean 44 lines doesn't come anywhere close to halfway through the list on the 175 there. If you are a commuter, would it be wise to take the horrible 19 hour deal just to avoid commuting in for perpetual reserve?
if you held a line before and are going to reserve now there’s 0% chance you’ll be used unless you proffer for something.
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Old 05-07-2020 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
So going over some of the seniority lists, it would appear that ORD is going to have a **** ton of reserves in June. I mean 44 lines doesn't come anywhere close to halfway through the list on the 175 there. If you are a commuter, would it be wise to take the horrible 19 hour deal just to avoid commuting in for perpetual reserve?
If I were a commuter, I would take it.
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Old 05-07-2020 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
So going over some of the seniority lists, it would appear that ORD is going to have a **** ton of reserves in June. I mean 44 lines doesn't come anywhere close to halfway through the list on the 175 there. If you are a commuter, would it be wise to take the horrible 19 hour deal just to avoid commuting in for perpetual reserve?
It seemed wise to me. I can make money elsewhere, but I can’t replace time with family.
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Old 05-07-2020 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
So going over some of the seniority lists, it would appear that ORD is going to have a **** ton of reserves in June. I mean 44 lines doesn't come anywhere close to halfway through the list on the 175 there. If you are a commuter, would it be wise to take the horrible 19 hour deal just to avoid commuting in for perpetual reserve?
Depends on if you need the pay. 56 hour pay difference. I dont care what pay step you re on, that pays for well more than the hotel rooms you d need.

I commute but need the pay so it s not worth it to me. Granted, it s an easy enough commute I didnt give this much thought.
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Old 05-07-2020 | 03:03 PM
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Depends on if you need the pay. 56 hour pay difference. I dont care what pay step you re on, that pays for well more than the hotel rooms you d need.

I commute but need the pay so it s not worth it to me. Granted, it s an easy enough commute I didnt give this much thought.
Nothing is an easy commute these days.
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Old 05-07-2020 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Nothing is an easy commute these days.
It is if you re close enough to drive of you need too. But yes, I know what you mean.
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Old 05-08-2020 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Depends on if you need the pay. 56 hour pay difference. I dont care what pay step you re on, that pays for well more than the hotel rooms you d need.

I commute but need the pay so it s not worth it to me. Granted, it s an easy enough commute I didnt give this much thought.
Yeah a line would normally be a no brainer but damn, 44 lines is tough. The commute isn’t easy normally . Need to do some serious thinking about this I guess. It just makes me sick to think about actually using that ploa.
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Old 05-08-2020 | 06:35 AM
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F/A's are being asked to voluntarily come off of CSLOA in June in DFW due to the addition of 2,000 hours of flying from another contract carrier who operates in DFW.
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Old 05-08-2020 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Yeah a line would normally be a no brainer but damn, 44 lines is tough. The commute isn’t easy normally . Need to do some serious thinking about this I guess. It just makes me sick to think about actually using that ploa.
OK, here's the worst case scenario math.

We're looking at 19 hours on leave vs 75 hours on reserve. So a difference of 56 hours. If you are on the lowest pay step in the company, that be $50.71. That 56 hour difference equates to $2,839.76. Assuming needing hotels and they cost $100 per night (they'd be cheaper), you could get 28 hotel rooms before the leave paid better. Wort case scenario, you need 20 hotel stays, 4 of which the company pays for so 16 hotels that you pay for. So, back to using $100 for the cost of a hotel room ($1600), you'd come out $1,239.76 ahead by skipping the leave and doing reserve. And this is a worst case scenario where you never are able to proffer out of first day AM raps and are never able to get assigned to an overnight. Of course, if you're on a higher pay step, this tilts even farther away from taking the leave. A CA on step 3 small jet pay would be $2,908.56 in the positive. A CA on step 5 big jet pay would be $3,590.08 in the positive.

But that's only money angle, some will say the difference isn't worth the time away from home/family but no one can calculate the value of that to an individual. And some will have other means of making money while on leave that may exceed what they'd get if they stuck out reserve. I'm not really arguing against those things. Just pointing out the money difference.
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