View Poll Results: Are you taking the 12-month CSLOA?
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19
20.88%
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CSLOA (12 months)
04-28-2020 | 08:23 AM
#91
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04-28-2020 | 09:10 AM
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No one seems concerned about the CASS, KCM, and badges. Seems the company gives an answer/excuse for why not possible and the union is glad to not push back and accepts policy as an answer. Not enough folks are aware that AA guys who took the 50 hours for perm leave till 65 have full cockpit Jumpseat rights, CASS, and KCM... until they retire, yet will never fly again. Let that sink in...
We, on the other hand, are supposed to remain proficient for 19 hours a month yet are not to be trusted to sit up front on a plane, or even keep an iPad to read a company manual during our pathetic paid LOA.
Another point of concern. Warm up sims upon return to remain proficient. Nothing promises these. On the last call the tone was that it would not be unreasonable to ask company for warm up sims to help individuals who took LOAs. Keeping JS and iPads costs nothing, and it's not happening. Does not build confidence on the sim issue as sims cost significant money. Just take people offline who cannot pass a recurrent cold turkey and save 19 hours of pay a month on that person. Genius! Fire the person for not maintaining proficiency is full blown Stephen Hawkins genius when fat on pilots.
Anything can be negotiated, policy can be changed, and I get a feeling we are not getting the whole story from one side at least, maybe both. These LOAs do cost and should have had a lot more details ironed out before being signed. Maybe another chance this next round.
We, on the other hand, are supposed to remain proficient for 19 hours a month yet are not to be trusted to sit up front on a plane, or even keep an iPad to read a company manual during our pathetic paid LOA.
Another point of concern. Warm up sims upon return to remain proficient. Nothing promises these. On the last call the tone was that it would not be unreasonable to ask company for warm up sims to help individuals who took LOAs. Keeping JS and iPads costs nothing, and it's not happening. Does not build confidence on the sim issue as sims cost significant money. Just take people offline who cannot pass a recurrent cold turkey and save 19 hours of pay a month on that person. Genius! Fire the person for not maintaining proficiency is full blown Stephen Hawkins genius when fat on pilots.
Anything can be negotiated, policy can be changed, and I get a feeling we are not getting the whole story from one side at least, maybe both. These LOAs do cost and should have had a lot more details ironed out before being signed. Maybe another chance this next round.
04-28-2020 | 10:21 AM
#98
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I thought you keep the ID, just not the iPad and KCM.
It’s going to cost them more to keep track of this than it would anything. There is no expense for everyone to just hold on to everything.
I’d keep everything until given instructions how to get them back to the company if they want them back so badly.
It’s going to cost them more to keep track of this than it would anything. There is no expense for everyone to just hold on to everything.
I’d keep everything until given instructions how to get them back to the company if they want them back so badly.
04-28-2020 | 02:14 PM
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The popular demand part cracks me up. But it does make sense that they try to run another one. There are 14,000 employees at envoy on the ramp and customer service side. Places like LAX have no flights and people sitting around doing nothing. They are probably costing the company a lot more than the pilot side of the house is.
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