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#191
I am going to have to disagree with you on this one or at least call it anecdotal at best. I live in a state that has been leading the pack for easing of restrictions and even the local gym I am at, is still seeing crowds around 75% less than they used to pre-covid and this is a group of people that fall right into your number range. Again, this experience is anecdotal as well, however I think it is a little negligent to just say everyone under 40 doesn't give a ****. I also dont think governors are overreacting as this was a brand new virus that we had little to no information about, no vaccine for, no antibodies existed and very little good data on its spread. If you add in that they think it has over 19 variants now, this is something people need to be more concerned about.
Remember, it is the fourth leading cause of death worldwide from a communicable disease standpoint and has already taken more American lives than the Vietnam war, by a lot.
Another way to think about is this way. The US lost about 415,000 people in WWII and that lasted for us a little over 4 years. We have hit 1/4 that number already with Covid and it really hasn't even been 1/2 a year yet. I understand war and disease are different, but I am trying to put it into a perspective that we can measure against.
Shifting gears, the WSJ has an article out about how the stock market is doing well, yet consumer sentiment is at a 10 year low. We are seeing contraction instead of expansion, we are record unemployment, personal income is the lowest since 2013 all while consumer spending plummeted at a rate not seen since 1959.
Things are not rosy and come October, its only going to get worse.
Remember, it is the fourth leading cause of death worldwide from a communicable disease standpoint and has already taken more American lives than the Vietnam war, by a lot.
Another way to think about is this way. The US lost about 415,000 people in WWII and that lasted for us a little over 4 years. We have hit 1/4 that number already with Covid and it really hasn't even been 1/2 a year yet. I understand war and disease are different, but I am trying to put it into a perspective that we can measure against.
Shifting gears, the WSJ has an article out about how the stock market is doing well, yet consumer sentiment is at a 10 year low. We are seeing contraction instead of expansion, we are record unemployment, personal income is the lowest since 2013 all while consumer spending plummeted at a rate not seen since 1959.
Things are not rosy and come October, its only going to get worse.
1. 2.8 million Americans die every year. Even if you actually believe that the entire 100k died of coronavirus, that’s less than 4% of all deaths.
2. 42% of those deaths were in nursing home patients. Nationwide, nursing home patients have an annual mortality of about 32%. Median survival for people confined to a nursing home is only 2.2 years. All it takes is a cold to knock off these people and the decision of the NY and NJ governors to put convalescing corona virus patients in the nursing homes - over the objections of the nursing home personnel themselves I might add - is responsible for thousands of deaths.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
3. This has peaked and we are in recovery:
#192
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Get a grip.
1. 2.8 million Americans die every year. Even if you actually believe that the entire 100k died of coronavirus, that’s less than 4% of all deaths.
2. 42% of those deaths were in nursing home patients. Nationwide, nursing home patients have an annual mortality of about 32%. Median survival for people confined to a nursing home is only 2.2 years. All it takes is a cold to knock off these people and the decision of the NY and NJ governors to put convalescing corona virus patients in the nursing homes - over the objections of the nursing home personnel themselves I might add - is responsible for thousands of deaths.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
3. This has peaked and we are in recovery:

1. 2.8 million Americans die every year. Even if you actually believe that the entire 100k died of coronavirus, that’s less than 4% of all deaths.
2. 42% of those deaths were in nursing home patients. Nationwide, nursing home patients have an annual mortality of about 32%. Median survival for people confined to a nursing home is only 2.2 years. All it takes is a cold to knock off these people and the decision of the NY and NJ governors to put convalescing corona virus patients in the nursing homes - over the objections of the nursing home personnel themselves I might add - is responsible for thousands of deaths.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
3. This has peaked and we are in recovery:

You comment is so ignorant and insulting I don’t even know what to say to it.
#194
AA Put 135/145s on routes typically serviced by 76 seaters. In every case where Mesa Lost a destination it’s been replaced with smaller metal.
#195
Gets Weekends Off
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#197
The fact that you can’t put this in perspective is your problem, not mine. Every single death is a tragedy to someone and yet 2.8 million Americans DO die every year. Explain to me how you intend to stop that. Take your time, I’ll wait.
#198
Why bother looking for a cancer cure then? Or have defibrillators onboard? Or the seatbelts?
#199
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/world...ntl/index.html
Actually, the Public Health and Preventive Medicine people look at the world in YPPL, Years of Potential Life Lost.
While every death is an individual tragedy In its own way, they are realistic. You don’t take the money needed to vaccinate a thousand kids and use it to extend the misery of an 80 year old with dementia. Resources are always limited and you spend where you can get the most bang for the buck. And yeah, that makes a seat belt - or an airbag - a good deal. Same if you can cure a life-threatening arrhythmia with a hundred joules of electricity. And two out of three new cancers ARE cured today.
But resources have ALWAYS been prioritized to where they would do the most overall good. To do otherwise from a public health standpoint would be immoral.
But seriously, do you really believe any amount of resources would EVER lead to human Individual immortality? Or that that would even be desirable?
#200
In a land of unicorns
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