They will recall you and furlough you. CSLOA does not work as furlough protection.

 

Yeah basically this. Hence the reason it is best, if it works for you, to just keep bidding lines as normal and get full pay until October, most likely flying significantly less, at least in the near term.

 

I cant honestly believe this program was brought back due to "popular" demand. Has the union released how many pilots have taken it?

 

They posted the results to all four Facebook groups as well as to the Envoy ALPA website. https://www.alpa.org/eny/-/media/ENY...%20RESULTS.pdf

 

No one seems concerned about the CASS, KCM, and badges. Seems the company gives an answer/excuse for why not possible and the union is glad to not push back and accepts policy as an answer. Not enough folks are aware that AA guys who took the 50 hours for perm leave till 65 have full cockpit Jumpseat rights, CASS, and KCM... until they retire, yet will never fly again. Let that sink in...

We, on the other hand, are supposed to remain proficient for 19 hours a month yet are not to be trusted to sit up front on a plane, or even keep an iPad to read a company manual during our pathetic paid LOA.

Another point of concern. Warm up sims upon return to remain proficient. Nothing promises these. On the last call the tone was that it would not be unreasonable to ask company for warm up sims to help individuals who took LOAs. Keeping JS and iPads costs nothing, and it's not happening. Does not build confidence on the sim issue as sims cost significant money. Just take people offline who cannot pass a recurrent cold turkey and save 19 hours of pay a month on that person. Genius! Fire the person for not maintaining proficiency is full blown Stephen Hawkins genius when fat on pilots.

Anything can be negotiated, policy can be changed, and I get a feeling we are not getting the whole story from one side at least, maybe both. These LOAs do cost and should have had a lot more details ironed out before being signed. Maybe another chance this next round.

 

Sorry, dont have FB and didn't see a notice of the posting on ALPA. Thank you for the link. So, more took it than I thought but in reality it still doesn't seem like it was a lot. I say we just keep collecting full pay until they offer something better.

 

Has anyone heard anything about Envoy management taking any reduced compensation to help with cost savings, or is that just for the workers?

 

One of the emails from RW said they had taken a reduced salary. I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t believe there were any specifics.

 

Couldn’t remember for sure and couldn’t find that in any of the propaganda I saved.

I guess it is a small consolation then, at least.

 

I don’t remember the date. It was in the email where he said that everything they were doing was focused on saving pilot jobs.

I couldn’t care less if they take a pay cut. I just don’t want to take one.