AA/ENV to suspend MIA operations May 7
05-26-2020 | 02:56 PM
#141
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I never bought that argument about having recruits come here hurts current pilots, but even if that was true in the past, it is certainly dead now. Those days are over. Even if, by some miracle, all the majors avoid furloughs, the hiring environment is going to be very slow for a few years at least.
That said, the ability or non-ability for Envoy to hire is the only thing management cares about when it comes to negotiating improvements in our pay and and our work conditions. It absolutely does matter. If his BS goes unchecked, potential hires will read it and think it’s true. And what he types today, can be read a year from now, two years from now...
And before you say what’s on APC shouldn’t carry that kind of weight, we have guys ON PROPERTY that bid 175 CA because Envoy’s APC profile says they’ll get paid more money as a 175 CA than a 145 CA.
05-26-2020 | 07:21 PM
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Paybanding and rates are all outlined on my.envoyair and in the contract, yet some folks can't be bothered to look. Or worse, high speed failed reading comprehension. Either way, nothing like flying 76 seats for 50 seat pay for awhile...
05-26-2020 | 08:00 PM
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Does that really surprise you, though? Judging by the large number of easily answered questions here or in the various FB groups, we've got a rack of people who can't be bothered to do their own research.
Paybanding and rates are all outlined on my.envoyair and in the contract, yet some folks can't be bothered to look. Or worse, high speed failed reading comprehension. Either way, nothing like flying 76 seats for 50 seat pay for awhile...
Paybanding and rates are all outlined on my.envoyair and in the contract, yet some folks can't be bothered to look. Or worse, high speed failed reading comprehension. Either way, nothing like flying 76 seats for 50 seat pay for awhile...
05-27-2020 | 02:34 AM
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Does that really surprise you, though? Judging by the large number of easily answered questions here or in the various FB groups, we've got a rack of people who can't be bothered to do their own research.
Paybanding and rates are all outlined on my.envoyair and in the contract, yet some folks can't be bothered to look. Or worse, high speed failed reading comprehension. Either way, nothing like flying 76 seats for 50 seat pay for awhile...
Paybanding and rates are all outlined on my.envoyair and in the contract, yet some folks can't be bothered to look. Or worse, high speed failed reading comprehension. Either way, nothing like flying 76 seats for 50 seat pay for awhile...
05-27-2020 | 04:05 AM
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05-27-2020 | 08:52 AM
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I was doing some research about 9/11 and I stumbled into something interesting unintentionally. I noticed that the flight loads for all four hijacked airplanes were less than 100 pax. The loads ranged from 30-100 and some of these aircraft were wide body flying trans con flights. I guess my question here is how did the airlines stay in business back then (Pre-9/11) flying loads so light and now that they’re back to flying similar loads they’re in a bankruptcy panic? Any ideas or insight?
05-27-2020 | 10:58 AM
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I was doing some research about 9/11 and I stumbled into something interesting unintentionally. I noticed that the flight loads for all four hijacked airplanes were less than 100 pax. The loads ranged from 30-100 and some of these aircraft were wide body flying trans con flights. I guess my question here is how did the airlines stay in business back then (Pre-9/11) flying loads so light and now that they’re back to flying similar loads they’re in a bankruptcy panic? Any ideas or insight?
”Hard Landing” ends in the mid-90’s, I think, but it does hit on some similar issues that the industry ran into post-deregulation. It’s an essential read for those who haven’t read it yet.
05-27-2020 | 12:35 PM
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I was doing some research about 9/11 and I stumbled into something interesting unintentionally. I noticed that the flight loads for all four hijacked airplanes were less than 100 pax. The loads ranged from 30-100 and some of these aircraft were wide body flying trans con flights. I guess my question here is how did the airlines stay in business back then (Pre-9/11) flying loads so light and now that they’re back to flying similar loads they’re in a bankruptcy panic? Any ideas or insight?
Also, I can’t say for sure, but those flights were on higher $ yield markets that would sell more first and business class that would cover the cost of otherwise empty coach class.
06-01-2020 | 10:24 PM
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I was doing some research about 9/11 and I stumbled into something interesting unintentionally. I noticed that the flight loads for all four hijacked airplanes were less than 100 pax. The loads ranged from 30-100 and some of these aircraft were wide body flying trans con flights. I guess my question here is how did the airlines stay in business back then (Pre-9/11) flying loads so light and now that they’re back to flying similar loads they’re in a bankruptcy panic? Any ideas or insight?
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