AA/ENV to suspend MIA operations May 7
05-02-2020 | 02:22 PM
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You guys just really need to stop replying to him lol. It's an obvious troll, just look at his profile picture. Over half of our posts on this board are him saying flow is the best and you're american pilots day 1, and then everyone else saying no we're not. No need to keep it going. Let's try to get things somewhat back on more important topics.
He’s got Cujo envy.
05-02-2020 | 02:30 PM
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Although I see your point, I do agree that ALL flying should be mainline, they should have never allowed a "Class B" industry to be created. I know is wishful thinking on my part, but if all flyings were to go to mainline, and all regional be eliminated, in the long run it would benefit all pilots, even though it might hurt at the beginning. At least that would put an end to the Fee per departure scam.
05-02-2020 | 03:37 PM
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05-02-2020 | 05:06 PM
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It's unfortunate that you feel this way. I personally know several cadets in the pipeline. While they are disappointed that things have temporarily slowed, they are literally over the moon about the opportunity to begin their AA career at Envoy. All of them say that they always only wanted Envoy. I'm not sure why you are disgruntled. Perhaps listening to some of the 10% or the few remaining lifers left who have nothing but negativity to spew.
05-02-2020 | 06:13 PM
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it simply points out the stupidity of his claims.... although, they have taken great strides in blurring the line. Being ordered to wear AA lanyards across all 4 carriers and similar stupidity on their part checking boxes on items looked at in single carrier petitions. They advertise to cadets and college kids that it’s their one and only career interview. Their advertising graphics show it as simply going to the bigger planes when your seniority can hold it. Everything they’ve done since the bankruptcy has hurt their arguments if such a filing ever were initiated.
Frankly, given the high probability of furloughs at AA, this would be a terrible time to make the argument.
Frankly, given the high probability of furloughs at AA, this would be a terrible time to make the argument.
05-02-2020 | 06:18 PM
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There have been plenty of opportunities to make a single carrier petition, either by Envoy to AA or all 3 WOs to AA. My best guess as to why it hasn't happened is because ALPA would lose 5,000 members to APA. It would be the best thing to happen to the industry in forever, but ALPA doesn't seem to be going for it.
not only will they not go for it, the ALPA lawyers immediately start telling you why it won’t work, rather than look for reasons why it would....
ask me how I know. Same lawyers are still there. Job security.
05-03-2020 | 05:09 AM
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I have said it before and will say it again, ALPA is not here for our benefit. Sure, we do get "some" benefits from them, but we are just a number that feeds money up the ranks. Our regional unions are weak and we dont get any of the high dollar legal help like say, Delta would get. If ALPA really was looking out for us, they would either be trying to flip APA to ALPA or encouraging us to go single carrier.
05-03-2020 | 06:57 AM
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I have said it before and will say it again, ALPA is not here for our benefit. Sure, we do get "some" benefits from them, but we are just a number that feeds money up the ranks. Our regional unions are weak and we dont get any of the high dollar legal help like say, Delta would get. If ALPA really was looking out for us, they would either be trying to flip APA to ALPA or encouraging us to go single carrier.
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