Envoy 2021: A New Hope
12-28-2021 | 11:36 AM
#1212
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Metering flow will 1000% increase attrition. Anyone who still hasn't had their apps out will get them out overnight. Envoy will lose half of all CAs in 3 months, those cute FO leaving posts will be replaced by high time CAs from 2016 to 2017 hires. New hire's number will also drop by half.
I personally want to see it happen. Envoy will begin shrinking back to a 1500 pilot group.
In contrast. Doubling flow to 40 and adding a 24 month CA flow lock might kick the can down a little longer.
I personally want to see it happen. Envoy will begin shrinking back to a 1500 pilot group.
In contrast. Doubling flow to 40 and adding a 24 month CA flow lock might kick the can down a little longer.
12-28-2021 | 11:53 AM
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Metering summer 2022 probably. There's still time to head it off but based on the weak vacancy they either aren't aware of it (hard to imagine) or don't care. Something will have to change. They're blowing through double digit numberrs of junior mans every single day right now just to try to limit the cancellations, which are coming hot and heavy anyway.
I predict they're going to let the operation fall apart somewhat to annoy passengers until congress reverses the 1500 hour rule. All three majors are gearing up for a lobbying effort in that direction.
I predict they're going to let the operation fall apart somewhat to annoy passengers until congress reverses the 1500 hour rule. All three majors are gearing up for a lobbying effort in that direction.
12-28-2021 | 01:18 PM
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Metering summer 2022 probably. There's still time to head it off but based on the weak vacancy they either aren't aware of it (hard to imagine) or don't care. Something will have to change. They're blowing through double digit numberrs of junior mans every single day right now just to try to limit the cancellations, which are coming hot and heavy anyway.
I predict they're going to let the operation fall apart somewhat to annoy passengers until congress reverses the 1500 hour rule. All three majors are gearing up for a lobbying effort in that direction.
I predict they're going to let the operation fall apart somewhat to annoy passengers until congress reverses the 1500 hour rule. All three majors are gearing up for a lobbying effort in that direction.
12-28-2021 | 01:44 PM
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They may try to lobby Congress, but ALPA seriously needs to contact every member of Congress that Kirby talked to and make them aware that those 100 regional jets that are parked were because United canceled a contract. There are still plenty of pilots that want to work, just not for the wages and conditions offered. The answer is not lowering requirements, but improving the contracts.
12-28-2021 | 04:42 PM
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Mesa is fixing to sign a huge pay raise contract. After that Air Whiskey will be the only regional (that flys jets) that makes less than 45/hr. SkyWest & Republic will be the only two left making less than 50/hr. Those TT Mins will be lowered in 2022 mark my words.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
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12-28-2021 | 05:26 PM
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Question for those not in the airline world yet. When the TT was raised from 250 to 1500 for ATP, was the upgrade time to CA raised as well or was it still 1k hours to make CA and did you even have many FOs upgrading right at 1250 TT hours.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
12-28-2021 | 05:29 PM
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Question for those not in the airline world yet. When the TT was raised from 250 to 1500 for ATP, was the upgrade time to CA raised as well or was it still 1k hours to make CA and did you even have many FOs upgrading right at 1250 TT hours.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
No airline was upgrading with that kind of time in recent history. Lots of places had 10+ year upgrades, so the number of hours you had really didn’t factor in. It was about seniority. As I recall, Eagle required 3000 hours to upgrade… until they were lacking candidates, then they didn’t.
12-28-2021 | 05:32 PM
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Question for those not in the airline world yet. When the TT was raised from 250 to 1500 for ATP, was the upgrade time to CA raised as well or was it still 1k hours to make CA and did you even have many FOs upgrading right at 1250 TT hours.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
And if the TT is lowered, how does one think that affects ULCC hiring. So many people seem to be going regional FO to ULCC FO. Would that hurt or help.
Hold: (1) At least a commercial pilot certificate with an appropriate category and class rating; (2) An instrument rating; and (3) At least a second-class medical certificate.
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