This is some shizz I’d expect from a Hulas ran airline,not the Eagle gold standard carrier


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Man reading this just makes me sad. There’s nothing like being taken advantage of when trying to do someone a favor.

 

Yeah this past week was a complete failure of leadership from this company. Not only did they at one point just completely give up and say every man/women for themselves, but they also acted deceptively at times, punitive at others and once again tried to use fear as a motivator.

This company has showed over the years that it doesn't care for its employees, it runs not on trust and mutual respect but though oppressive, fear based management. I actually had to jump seat this week on two separate occasions, on two separate mainline operations, one being AA. When I was telling the pilots all of the things that went down over the last seven days, they were all shocked, expressed how not only would their management not try these things, but their pilot group would essentially tell them to pound sand.

As many of us have said over the years, this isnt the place to come to if you have any of the things airlines want ie, clean history, no dui and an education. The flow is useless for the foreseeable future, just as our MEC. There needs to be major leadership changes at this company before I could in good faith suggest it as a place to work for.

The worst part of all this, unless I have missed it, is that we haven't heard a peep from the CEO or RW, perhaps they fled to Cancun.

Major thanks to all the low level people that banded together to get things working again and help their fellow employees.

 

I've been posting for years that management has contempt for us here. A lot of us get sheltered from it (mostly on the 175, particularly in Dallas).

I won't deny that I'm glad to be publicly proven right again, sad that it has been at personal cost to many of my colleagues.

 

Since you haven't spent a day in the service as far as I can tell (dressing up for reenactments on the weekends doesn't count), you might have missed a valuable leadership lesson. Leaders take care of their subordinates (chow, hotels, whatever). Leaders put themselves last after everything else is accomplished ("Mission, men, me" was beat into my head). Leaders keep their people informed and motivated, regardless of the circumstances. What happened this week is a leadership failure, plain and simple.

It's telling that here we are on Friday with zero commo from higher except "fend for yourselves and good luck." The culture is broken here, which is nothing new, but this week brings it sharply into focus. Why you, or anyone else, defends that is beyond reason.

 

wtf is RW or pedro gonna come out and say??
“now, more than ever, thank you”
low level leaders execute, as they hsve been doing. DFW CPO is feeding and sheltering, i dont need some worthless “stay warm attaboy” from the higher ups, theyre all just talking heads up there anyway.

 

The silence coming from them is deafening...

 

So why do you bring that up? I've never claimed "military service" as I have a military background only. The ONLY reason that was ever brought up is that I personally felt the RTP guys that were hired through that program were very overrated and the program was a waste of money. These guys came into the program, not all of them mind you but a whole lot. Many had arrogant attitudes and proceeded to struggle and after being hand held and coddled. They made it to the line and I would see it over and over that after a year of experience or so many were bailing for "other opportunities."

I referenced my military background comparing myself to them, I know it's somewhat different, but I felt I could speak out on it due to my personal background. It was very apparent at the time that the cadets were flying circles around these guys and I made a statement on it. As for leadership today, sure, there are occasionally breakdowns in the chain. That's normal, especially in an unprecedented weather event, but they get fixed and that's what is happening in this particular situation.

 

What’s the difference between military background and military service??

 

I've explained this on another forum of which I'm sure you read my explanation. However, for the benefit of some here, I'll briefly cover it again. As mentioned already, I personally had issues with the RTP program. Because these guys were military, and in order to criticize this position, I felt I could share and relate my own experience as a Vietnam War re-enactor to have some leg to stand on in understanding where these guys were coming from. I spent over 6 months as a re-enactor in some of the most real life scenarios imaginable. I was assigned to an Army unit and became extremely familiar with all things Army as everything was replicated perfectly, right down to military issue boots. So, there's your background. It's more than many Americans have who have no military service.

I commend these RTP guys for their service, however, they were not what Envoy needed. As mentioned, they took a slot away from a highly trained cadet. Cadets had the highest evaluation marks and pass rate in the history of Envoy by the way. As said, the RTP guy would come in and get his or her hand held through the program, make it online, and struggle afterward for quite some time. When they got the hang of it and built some hours, they usually would bail for some legacy as their military service checked some special box or something over there. I voiced my concern over and over but the program was kept afloat until the pandemic began. Hopefully now we have seen the last of RTP.