Envoy 2021: A New Hope
06-08-2021 | 10:56 AM
#821
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From: Semi-Retired...
I think the other part of it is cargo carriers that don’t fly their own paint are somewhat like regionals. Obviously Atlas has their own paint, but cargo carriers “borrow” call signs from FedEx or UPS. The model is the same, the pay scale is way better though. As far as stability idk if places like southern or atlas are too notch especially as Amazon brings in their own flying. This is just an opinion though and I’d like the discussion on this because the cargo carriers have always been an interesting route to take besides the LCC’s
A few ACMI don’t even do cargo at all.
06-08-2021 | 11:05 AM
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4 day trips are long enough for me. I enjoy home way too much to be on the road in a germ infested hotel taking a toll on my health. I have seen first hand on how fast cargo peeps age. I think once the flood gates are open to the legacies these cargo carriers will be drone operation outfits.
It really depends on a number of factors individual to each pilot and family. For many, no commuting, no crashpads, collecting unlimited air miles, getting unlimited hotel points, having large chunks of time off to travel and see the world with family, and when you do go you fly on real tickets everywhere in first class and stay in hotels free.... has a value that unless you live in base at a LCC/legacy it just doesn’t compete.
I’m gone from home much less than I was as an Envoy commuter, with zero stress or aggravation. Zero unpaid time of my own commuting. I know what flight I’m leaving on and what flight I’m arriving on. I don’t even have an airport parking space anyplace. Hardest part of my job is doing laundry at some point during the trip.
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06-08-2021 | 11:14 AM
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we get 14-15 scheduled days off minimum, plus however many days you sit long call at home.
06-08-2021 | 12:03 PM
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If you’re at Envoy and have plenty of TPIC time and nowhere near flowing I would also go to Atlas.
06-08-2021 | 12:38 PM
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Well with little kids (and some wives) it might be better to check in weekly. Depends on the family situation. When I was in a career place where ACMI was an option, my kids were too little for that schedule to be good for them. For me the total days off would have been about a wash (some seniority at the regional, and was driving to work).
06-08-2021 | 03:10 PM
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Yep. My kids are older but my wife would never put up with me being gone two weeks at a time. Back when I was junior and two-leg commuting to NY, I traded my trips around so that two trips were back to back. I thought it was a genius move to reduce commuting. Yeah, I'd have a longer stint gone but I'd have a longer stint at home too. My wife lost her **** over that. So no ACMI for me. Doesn't matter how much 'better' it is over there, I intend to stay married.
06-08-2021 | 06:43 PM
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06-08-2021 | 07:06 PM
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It’s not the cadets that are getting married. That’s who most guys are bashing on. There are several distinct groups at Envoy with different phases of life which is why they have very different views and often contrary goals.
06-08-2021 | 07:38 PM
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06-09-2021 | 07:24 AM
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