Envoy 2021: A New Hope
07-17-2021 | 04:21 PM
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To answer your questions: No, there is no criteria, just like there is no criteria for normal critical coverage.
If they never declare it, then they won’t get enough people to cover their flights.
07-17-2021 | 05:34 PM
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The whole thing is literally 2 paragraphs. The email explaining it is pretty much as long as the LOA itself.
To answer your questions: No, there is no criteria, just like there is no criteria for normal critical coverage.
If they never declare it, then they won’t get enough people to cover their flights.
To answer your questions: No, there is no criteria, just like there is no criteria for normal critical coverage.
If they never declare it, then they won’t get enough people to cover their flights.
07-17-2021 | 05:46 PM
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This LOA is just a band-aid trying to cover the gaping self inflicted wound they gave themselves by not recalling/hiring 3-6 months earlier than they did.
07-17-2021 | 05:50 PM
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And the point of my example about getting rid of the sunset language was because in my example there was no super critical anyway. Just increasing rates for OT and critical OT.
Anyway, what are they going to do if this is voted down in favor of something more permanent? Punish us by taking away Quicktrade? Oh wait!
07-17-2021 | 06:09 PM
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What they really need is enough pilots to cover the flying they keep telling AA they can do. Then they would have enough reserves to assign to those crappy trips.
This LOA is just a band-aid trying to cover the gaping self inflicted wound they gave themselves by not recalling/hiring 3-6 months earlier than they did.
This LOA is just a band-aid trying to cover the gaping self inflicted wound they gave themselves by not recalling/hiring 3-6 months earlier than they did.
But the minimum daily or something is still needed. 11 hour four days wouldn’t happen. AAG would have to give Envoy some better flight files. The reality is having fewer larger regionals would help optimize things.
07-17-2021 | 06:11 PM
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I’m all for permanent changes to critical pay, I’ve just been around long enough to know how little leverage we actually have. If they’re willing to give me $750 to do a DFW-LIT turn (or $2,400 to do a YYC overnight), I’ll gladly take it until they’re desperate enough to start throwing money at us as a recruiting tool (I’m planning to be long gone by then…)
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07-18-2021 | 05:35 AM
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300% is nice, but getting rid of the captain pay banding would be nicer. Envoy needs the pilots to bail them out because RW and JD royally screwed up. If this LOA fails, then August pilot vacations will be canceled along with September which will only embolden the pilot rage even more.
It’s been CC for most of the bases and seats this month, and guess what!? There’s rarely any good trip worth picking it up.
We shouldn’t be here trying to save RW and JD with a garbage LOA. Did they “save” us when we got ****ed with the AIP? Quicktrade? Reserve talks? Cost neutral? And the list goes on…
I hope NN has some balls and turn this LOA DOWN! They’ll come back with better offers. We finally have some leverage.
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