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But seriously 06-30-2021 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3256309)
Happening sooner than I predicted. Air Wiskey and CommutAir are in big trouble unless the modify their business model big time.
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/...144355.article

Air Whiskey has been in trouble before. I don’t disagree with you that this is bad news for them, but Kirby already said publicly that UAL will be eliminating all of its small RJs.

No one knows the financials behind AW, but they always seem to pull an inside straight and survive. I wouldn’t be shocked if they show up flying for AA/USAir (again) in a year or two.

pitchattitude 06-30-2021 07:02 AM

E170-E2?
 
Looking at scope clauses, I don’t see anyone budging on the weight and seat limit. The economics of the 50 seat RJ is what is driving its demise. But there are just too many markets that can’t support even the smallest mainline narrow body, which is the A220 and only being flown by Delta. The United Express CRJ-550 is a stopgap as it only is viable on routes that can sell enough premium seats to pay for the same fuel burn with fewer seats. American is using used 170s to replace the 145s. There are only limited numbers of them out there. Maybe this will lead to Embraer to push out an E2 version of the 170 as it looks like seat capacity and not MGTOW is more of the limit. With the improvements on the E2 it seems like the most viable option for a plane that fits in the small RJ class.

Mesa, Republic, and Skywest all already fly United colors and E170 series aircraft. It still doesn’t help operators of 145s though. I think the cost of Air Wisconsin and GoJet to change fleet would still kill them off.

captive apple 06-30-2021 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3256914)
hard for me to believe Kirby honestly wants to reduce RJs... he has historically been the other way around. Wonder what’s in store?

Well what are the chances this is so public to pressurize scope being relaxed to American scope. Then when the pilots refuse company can point to them as why the planes are cancelled. Then new hire classes cancelled. Then the pilots cave.

Hedley 06-30-2021 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3256927)
Well what are the chances this is so public to pressurize scope being relaxed to American scope. Then when the pilots refuse company can point to them as why the planes are cancelled. Then new hire classes cancelled. Then the pilots cave.

I’d say pretty slim. United pilots already make good money and they know that the economics of keeping the order are to their advantage. If the company wanted to delay or cancel, they still wouldn’t get more rj’s. Kirby knows he’s not getting scope relief, so now he’s moving forward with plan B.

highfarfast 06-30-2021 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3256927)
Well what are the chances this is so public to pressurize scope being relaxed to American scope. Then when the pilots refuse company can point to them as why the planes are cancelled. Then new hire classes cancelled. Then the pilots cave.

Why would pilots care if the company 'points to them'?

buddies8 06-30-2021 02:21 PM

Right out of mgt negotiations hand book.

captive apple 06-30-2021 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3257169)
Right out of mgt negotiations hand book.

Good news. Step one in the long game.

enyPSIsc2b 07-01-2021 09:59 AM

Long call with a perpetually understaffed airline? Good job union.


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