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pitchattitude 07-01-2021 10:16 AM
Originally Posted by enyPSIsc2b (Post 3257634)
Long call with a perpetually understaffed airline? Good job union.
But at least there’s no chance of getting rid of red/redder now, so, you know…

CptnDave 07-01-2021 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3256836)
Air Whiskey has been in trouble before. I don’t disagree with you that this is bad news for them, but Kirby already said publicly that UAL will be eliminating all of its small RJs.

No one knows the financials behind AW, but they always seem to pull an inside straight and survive. I wouldn’t be shocked if they show up flying for AA/USAir (again) in a year or two.
No way, they’re already preparing to bring on 700/900’s and will likely transition their fleet to larger RJ’s and retire the 200’s.

BigZ 07-01-2021 10:25 AM
Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3257642)
But at least there’s no chance of getting rid of red/redder now, so, you know…
"just like the mainline"(c)

Cujo665 07-01-2021 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3256836)
Air Whiskey has been in trouble before. I don’t disagree with you that this is bad news for them, but Kirby already said publicly that UAL will be eliminating all of its small RJs.

No one knows the financials behind AW, but they always seem to pull an inside straight and survive. I wouldn’t be shocked if they show up flying for AA/USAir (again) in a year or two.
I’m 3 for 3 on calling well over a year in advance the last regionals to shut down.... without a serious business model change both are in big trouble.

(Called Trans States well in advance... 2017; called Compass in late 2018)

There’s going to be consolidation, contraction, bankruptcies and merger/buyouts. The “safest” places to be will be the WO’s. Endeavor, AAG owned, Horizon. Mesa, Republic & Skywest will survive but will be much smaller. In that process will come stagnation as they shrink through attrition. The one that close will either jump to LCC, ACMI or will be recycled as new hires at a surviving regional.

Regional work rules at the WO’ , contracts, wages and compensation will all get good improvements, and the flow programs will be increased. At contractor jobs they can only raise the pay so much before bankruptcy. The WO’s can be run at a loss to keep feed alive.

Throwitaway 07-01-2021 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3257757)
I’m 3 for 3 on calling well over a year in advance the last regionals to shut down.... without a serious business model change both are in big trouble.

(Called Trans States well in advance... 2017; called Compass in late 2018)

There’s going to be consolidation, contraction, bankruptcies and merger/buyouts. The “safest” places to be will be the WO’s. Endeavor, AAG owned, Horizon. Mesa, Republic & Skywest will survive but will be much smaller. In that process will come stagnation as they shrink through attrition. The one that close will either jump to LCC, ACMI or will be recycled as new hires at a surviving regional.

Regional work rules at the WO’ , contracts, wages and compensation will all get good improvements, and the flow programs will be increased. At contractor jobs they can only raise the pay so much before bankruptcy. The WO’s can be run at a loss to keep feed alive.
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LAXtoDEN 07-01-2021 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3257757)
I’m 3 for 3 on calling well over a year in advance the last regionals to shut down.... without a serious business model change both are in big trouble.

(Called Trans States well in advance... 2017; called Compass in late 2018)

There’s going to be consolidation, contraction, bankruptcies and merger/buyouts. The “safest” places to be will be the WO’s. Endeavor, AAG owned, Horizon. Mesa, Republic & Skywest will survive but will be much smaller. In that process will come stagnation as they shrink through attrition. The one that close will either jump to LCC, ACMI or will be recycled as new hires at a surviving regional.

Regional work rules at the WO’ , contracts, wages and compensation will all get good improvements, and the flow programs will be increased. At contractor jobs they can only raise the pay so much before bankruptcy. The WO’s can be run at a loss to keep feed alive.
So you think SkyWest is down sizing? They’re currently hiring 200 pilots a month, you can’t get a class date until December. The OO school house is saying they need 7,000 pilots in a year and a half. Does that sound like downsizing to you oh wise one?

3400 07-02-2021 04:53 AM
Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3257644)
No way, they’re already preparing to bring on 700/900’s and will likely transition their fleet to larger RJ’s and retire the 200’s.
1.) Where are they getting the planes? SkyWest is grabbing every -700 they can find on the planet right now.

2.) Whose flying are they going to take?

Things really don’t look good for them.

Hedley 07-02-2021 09:17 AM
Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3258033)
I’ve been asking these questions and everyone keeps overlooking them because they can’t answer them
It’s because they don’t want to answer them. With 200 jets leaving the UAX fleet, for some the answer is rather unpleasant.


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