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JungleJetBoss 07-20-2021 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3266335)
What other European airframes are there? CityFlier only had six.

If you remember RW’s email ended with “the potential for more”.
The leasing company that held the notes on the CityFlyer frames has more parked. There were 20 being negotiated for on that deal at the beginning of 1/20. Rona put things on the back burner til much later in the year.
The AeroMexico frames deal came along more recently.
If you think about it, 30 is a good round number. It’s my belief that they’ll use these as a one on one replacement for the 145s as they head for the sunset.
Edit: The company is keeping their cards close to their chests on an actual number since the pocket book strings are held by AAG. As time passes and we prove these planes to be reliably operated, they should get approval for more.
6 airframes configured to 65 seats isn’t enough to make the difference in flexibility that they are shooting for as far as “right sizing” the equipment on a day to day need on routes.

pitchattitude 07-20-2021 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss (Post 3266351)
If you remember RW’s email ended with “the potential for more”.
The leasing company that held the notes on the CityFlyer frames has more parked. There were 20 being negotiated for on that deal at the beginning of 1/20. Rona put things on the back burner til much later in the year.
The AeroMexico frames deal came along more recently.
If you think about it, 30 is a good round number. It’s my belief that they’ll use these as a one on one replacement for the 145s as they head for the sunset.

30 may be a nice round number, but that is rarely the case. The last information I saw was an article from The Points Guy and there were
nine listed at AeroMexico Connect.

“Among the jets that the Mexico City-based carrier plans to return to lessors are all nine of the Embraer E170s flown by its regional affiliate Aeromexico Connect. This would leave the subsidiary with a fleet of just larger E190s.”

https://thepointsguy.com/news/aerome...ankruptcy/amp/

The one that just landed in ABI with a new N number was owned by Bank of Utah, which is likely a leasing company then. Whether or not they have more is another question. But someone said the AeroMexico planes were off the table as they were too clapped out. Time will tell.

Hopefully the new (to ENY) 170s will be some fleet re-growth to get back closer to 200 airframes and be a replacement for 140/145s that were already parked instead of current planes.

But seriously 07-20-2021 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3266340)
I was told (and maybe wrongfully so) that the planes from Europe were coming from a leasing company, who had been leasing some to CitiFlier. I’m not sure who else was flying the planes

does anyone have an actual definite number of airframes coming? I haven’t listed to the ALPA calls

The last ALPA call basically said the only solid A/C acquisitions were the 6 from England. Everything else is unsubstantiated Internet rumors and not true as far as they know (they specifically said that).

That may be outdated info at this point, or they had more insight but weren’t allowed to share it publicly. Still, that’s what they said.

JungleJetBoss 07-20-2021 12:07 PM

From multiple sources
Lots of new destinations in the future. (Some which may surprise you)
The number of 170s to be acquired is planned and therefore can’t be made public until Dougweiser’s money men give the green light.
As far as increasing fleet numbers, I wouldn’t count on it.
My opinion is they’ll do a one for one swap with the existing fleet of 140/145s
Recruiting is so far behind that it’ll be a miracle to keep cheeks in the seats of what we have numbers wise now.
Expect attrition to increase which will only exacerbate the staffing situation.

CLE to IAH 07-21-2021 04:06 AM

I think this is a good opportunity to remind people that the guy who Lands by B (taxiway B) exists and is a real POS.

enyPSIsc2b 07-21-2021 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3266672)
I think this is a good opportunity to remind people that the guy who Lands by B (taxiway B) exists and is a real POS.

Who’s trip did he steal now? Or did you have the unpleasant experience of flying with him?

pitchattitude 07-22-2021 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss (Post 3266395)
From multiple sources
Lots of new destinations in the future. (Some which may surprise you)
The number of 170s to be acquired is planned and therefore can’t be made public until Dougweiser’s money men give the green light.
As far as increasing fleet numbers, I wouldn’t count on it.
My opinion is they’ll do a one for one swap with the existing fleet of 140/145s
Recruiting is so far behind that it’ll be a miracle to keep cheeks in the seats of what we have numbers wise now.
Expect attrition to increase which will only exacerbate the staffing situation.

Looks like the company at least recognized retention and staffing are becoming an issue but once again offered a short term solution instead of following through with meaningful changes. Those changes were pounced on by the union and even though they “accepted pilot input” they were adopted without a vote. At least this is only giving six months. Hopefully by then things will be worse giving another chance for long term improvements. Unfortunately one downside of attrition out pacing training ability will mean a shrinking pilot group which will stifle flow with the “equation”.

ClappedOut145 07-22-2021 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3267516)
Looks like the company at least recognized retention and staffing are becoming an issue but once again offered a short term solution instead of following through with meaningful changes. Those changes were pounced on by the union and even though they “accepted pilot input” they were adopted without a vote. At least this is only giving six months. Hopefully by then things will be worse giving another chance for long term improvements. Unfortunately one downside of attrition out pacing training ability will mean a shrinking pilot group which will stifle flow with the “equation”.

Pilots don’t get to vote on LOA’s, only TA’s. Attrition is even higher this month from what I hear. RW better get it together before he is forced to change his selection to “accept when offered.”

AV8R72 07-22-2021 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3267516)
Looks like the company at least recognized retention and staffing are becoming an issue but once again offered a short term solution instead of following through with meaningful changes. Those changes were pounced on by the union and even though they “accepted pilot input” they were adopted without a vote. At least this is only giving six months. Hopefully by then things will be worse giving another chance for long term improvements. Unfortunately one downside of attrition out pacing training ability will mean a shrinking pilot group which will stifle flow with the “equation”.

In the weekly meeting, AA asked Envoy to send more flows and Envoy said no.


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