I’m fairly senior at a legacy. I don’t know about Delta, but our union wants to only tighten scope. The company came to us with the offer for more pay and additional current NB aircraft orders rather than the requirement to buy another fleet type in exchange for more rj’s. We told them to pound sand. Scope is the big issue that held up our contract negotiations before COVID hit. On the 777, most everyone was too senior to be negatively affected by allowing more rj’s, but here the practically unanimous concessions was that the company doesn’t get one more big rj unless they buy another fleet type, or if we fly them. At Delta, the 50 seater is dead and the company has a better product due to the additional 175’s that were allowed from bringing on the 717, and now the far superior A220. As our 50 seaters go away, Kirby can either replace that with additional 737/320’s, or buy another fleet type and unlock additional 76 seaters just like Delta did. He has his options, he doesn’t like them, but we are not negotiating relaxing scope.

Just talking out of my ass here but what new NB would qualify that would work? Airbus can’t build enough 220s.

Here’s the contract definition:

“New Small Narrowbody Aircraft” means a CS100, E190, or E195 aircraft, provided that such aircraft is neither in the company fleet as of the date of this signing of this agreement no acquired through merger or acquisition of another carrier..

United can wait in line for the 220, or possibly the 195 E2. I really don’t know how long the backlog is on anything is since every manufacturer has faced cancellations and delays. Even if the company were to go with something that doesn’t qualify such as the Max 7, I have no idea when the delivery dates would be. My guess is that the shortest delivery schedule would come from the E195 E2??

We’ve got management right where we want them.

Exactly, I’m not going to get in a debate over an UA scope. I have nothing but respect for there union standing strong against “relaxing” scope, but it sounds like nothing but bitterness to me, and it costed the pilot group a lot of money from what it sounds like. Mandatory retirement is 65, so every year and pay raise counts.

All I will say is holding the stronger hand and not playing it, which resulted in nothing on both sides, now looks foolish. Now the Union’s walking in with a 4, 2 card still trying to play hard ball.

Good luck

Right the union has upper hand, please you crack me up. Covid 19 losses, justifiable bankruptcy with scope change plus pay cuts, is the scenario to be played out. Just an opinion

A220s (100 and 300j

Latest on Wikipedia (take it for what its worth)

Delivered 137
Backlog 494

I believe “Captive Apple” was being sarcastic. Read his post as sarcasm then read my reply and you’ll see I’m in no way giving any Union the edge in today’s atmosphere.

So is it just EM waving the white flag on Covid policy, or the LEC? First time I’ve seen a rep surrender because of, “constant rule changes.”

TH Splooj has us salivating over a “nice warm surprise”... PHX? LAX? MFE? The hotel bathroom after the free taco bar?

Cmon what’s the scuttlebutt people?