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ClappedOut145 01-16-2021 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3182502)
So why is PSA hiring again and we aren't?

We aren’t even training those who are back from furlough. They are literally getting paid to stay away and have zero obligation. Can’t wait to see what that company wants us to give up this time for a group of people who aren’t even current and qualified to fly. I’m sure they’ll go for something big and make an excuse as to why they need concessions during this “small blip in human history.”

TransWorld 01-16-2021 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3182569)
We aren’t even training those who are back from furlough. They are literally getting paid to stay away and have zero obligation. Can’t wait to see what that company wants us to give up this time for a group of people who aren’t even current and qualified to fly. I’m sure they’ll go for something big and make an excuse as to why they need concessions during this “small blip in human history.”

When is the estimated date for them to get back to the schoolhouse?

CptnDave 01-16-2021 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3182581)
When is the estimated date for them to get back to the schoolhouse?

Well soon I hope, seeing how they just found all this flying for PSA supposedly.

Cyio 01-17-2021 03:33 AM

The whipsaw has started. Brace for it.

NoValueAviator 01-17-2021 06:30 AM

I might be alone in this but maybe they should just re-furlough the pilots they aren't planning on using. Why post higher costs than necessary? To qualify for additional subsidy? This is a terrific situation for those pilots and I'm happy for them, but it doesn't seem like the right time to be paying people training gaurantee to do nothing. This exaggerates our costs and makes other ops more appealing from AAG's standpoint.

CptnDave 01-17-2021 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3182660)
I might be alone in this but maybe they should just re-furlough the pilots they aren't planning on using. Why post higher costs than necessary? To qualify for additional subsidy? This is a terrific situation for those pilots and I'm happy for them, but it doesn't seem like the right time to be paying people training gaurantee to do nothing. This exaggerates our costs and makes other ops more appealing from AAG's standpoint.

It’s cheaper for AAG to accept the payroll support and pay people to do nothing, than it is to pay people who aren’t furloughed from your actual revenue. I’m still miffed about how PSA hiring.

But seriously 01-17-2021 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3182660)
I might be alone in this but maybe they should just re-furlough the pilots they aren't planning on using. Why post higher costs than necessary? To qualify for additional subsidy? This is a terrific situation for those pilots and I'm happy for them, but it doesn't seem like the right time to be paying people training gaurantee to do nothing. This exaggerates our costs and makes other ops more appealing from AAG's standpoint.

The government is giving them 70% (I think) of overall payroll in exchange for paying 200~ FO’s. They’d been insane not to take that.

Also, I don’t envy those furloughees at all. It’s far from a sweet deal. Yes they are paid right now for nothing, but that is only guaranteed for a couple of months. I’m sure quite a few of them have gone back to their CFI/corporate/military jobs they had previously. That’s probably a one time lifeline for most. You can’t just quit and come crawling back every 3 months.
If you are 23 and still have your mom doing your laundry, it may not be that big of a deal, but that is definitely NOT everybody.

GHawk 01-17-2021 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3182693)
The government is giving them 70% (I think) of overall payroll in exchange for paying 200~ FO’s. They’d been insane not to take that.

Also, I don’t envy those furloughees at all. It’s far from a sweet deal. Yes they are paid right now for nothing, but that is only guaranteed for a couple of months. I’m sure quite a few of them have gone back to their CFI/corporate/military jobs they had previously. That’s probably a one time lifeline for most. You can’t just quit and come crawling back every 3 months.
If you are 23 and still have your mom doing your laundry, it may not be that big of a deal, but that is definitely NOT everybody.

But are they actually required to show up and do anything that would require them to leave their fallback job? Seems like a pretty good deal unless I’m missing something.

CptnDave 01-17-2021 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3182702)
as of now, no. They sit at home and collect the paycheck. I personally know 6 that will never comeback, so there has to be a lot more than that too. So when things actually do start improving we will have to hire too. Also according to the new seniority list, we’ve lost about 65 pilots anyway.

I wonder if the announcement of Republic shutting Miami will have an impact on recalls.


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