Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3220995)

Disagree vehemently. When "it" hits the fan is not the time to be looking up in an EFB how a system is laid out and operates. That's the time to be running the appropriate checklists, which BTW are designed to be run by somebody that understands the system. Not every event will have a checklist or memory item, and many events will be such that you need your system knowledge to not make things worse. If you can't be bothered to understand the systems on the ONLY type plane you are being paid to fly hundreds of passengers per day, then you have no business in the front end of the jet.


So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?

Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3220988)

There is no valid reason to be able to draw a system. Nice try. When that was required people only really knew it for the month around the PC then dumped it as they flew the line for the next five months anyway.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.

Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3221059)

It's absolutely your responsibility to know your aircraft and how the thing works. Just knowing an EICAS message pops up isn't sufficient when you're on fire.

Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag (Post 3220999)

They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.

Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag (Post 3221028)

What? I have always looked at it of compensating me for what they ask me. The FOM or GOM will lay out what is it expected of you. That's what I do and not an inch more. I don't say hi to the TSA agent or gate agent since I'm not required to. Why do something if they're not going to pay you for it?

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3220995)

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So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?

Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3221084)

This feels like troll territory, but I’ll bite...

A. You’re not “required” to say hi to anyone, it’s just courtesy. If you need to be paid to be courteous, you must be a treat to be around.

B. As for your comment on not bothering to learn systems, because they don’t pay you enough, I agree with Cujo, SUPER unprofessional. I’m guessing it’s not actually true, and you are just trolling, but if that really is true, you probably shouldn’t be an airline pilot.

You don’t just get paid to fly. We all love to fly. They wouldn’t have to pay me, even what ENY pays me to do it. You get paid to be a professional in addition to just having an ATP. If that means you have to occasionally study more than just the questions you know will be on the test... so be it.

I’ll also add that the training dept should require/encourage us to know our planes better, but that’s not an excuse.

Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag (Post 3221127)

No trolling here sir. You're all over the place with this response. I never said I don't have systems knowledge. As mentioned, I know what the FOM and AOMs contain and expect me to know; this is what I am paid to understand, so I do no more than this.

More importantly, it's sad to hear you say you'd do this JOB for free since you enjoy flying that much. This attitude is what managment uses to Nickle and Dime us to no end because they know it's a passion we all share. They might say we're professionals, but I sure as h*ell don't feel like it when I see my paychecks

They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.
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Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag (Post 3221028)

What? I have always looked at it of compensating me for what they ask me. The FOM or GOM will lay out what is it expected of you. That's what I do and not an inch more. I don't say hi to the TSA agent or gate agent since I'm not required to. Why do something if they're not going to pay you for it?

Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3221065)

“When you’re on fire” 🔥 What sensational text.
Oh so now you just need to know the systems and no longer need to draw it? Any other amendments? Hey guy, what oil filter does this bird use?