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NoValueAviator 04-12-2021 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3220695)
the 145 is hard to fly

no no, thats not what i said lol

buddies8 04-12-2021 01:03 PM

The e145 is hard for most cadets. They barely know whats going on in the e175. Procedures and system knowledge, what's that.

aewhistleblower 04-12-2021 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3220736)
The e145 is hard for most cadets. They barely know whats going on in the e175. Procedures and system knowledge, what's that.

They’re pretty good at memorizing the study guide and that’s it. They can’t put two and two together when they’re flying the line.

pitchattitude 04-12-2021 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3220731)
that was 2017 sometime. My friend was one that didn’t walk out

Nope. There wasn’t a single class in 2017 that had less than about 20. Most were 20-30 or so. Looks like the cadets started getting first pick in second class of September 2017 and there was only a handful in each class at least through the end of 2017, so there was definitely no class that all but two walked out because they didn’t get the 175 and cadets wouldn’t have come to Envoy “expecting” the SNJ 175 until at least late 2017, maybe even early 2018 as cadets wouldn’t have found out and then taken a month or so to get a class.

Have their been people that leave because they didn’t get what they wanted. Absolutely. But as I said before the cadets were on the hook for money if they left and there was definitely no class that had a mass exodus.

CptnDave 04-12-2021 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop (Post 3220694)
At least those planes still had an autopilot. Strap on a Metroliner or a Jetstream for 6-8 legs and see how’d they do.

Uh? Just fine actually. Dumb statement.

CptnDave 04-12-2021 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3220736)
The e145 is hard for most cadets. They barely know whats going on in the e175. Procedures and system knowledge, what's that.

You’re right they’re worse than off the street hires are. Oh wait no they’re actually better because they didn’t get 1500 towing banners. I prefer flying with a kid from Riddle or UND any day because they actually have a clue what they’re doing, and they’ve spent years learning and preparing to be here as opposed to someone who dropped off skydivers for a year and studied the gouge to make it through.

APCHCLIMB 04-12-2021 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3220757)
They’re pretty good at memorizing the study guide and that’s it. They can’t put two and two together when they’re flying the line.

if cadets can’t put two and two together to fly the 145 then your training program must be pretty awful. :rolleyes:

APCHCLIMB 04-12-2021 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3220846)
from what I can tell it’s not just envoy, but cadets as a whole. Which makes me think it’s not just cadets, but now we are reaping the benefits of no child left behind participation award generations. You know the ones that never had to do any research or studying on their own

i have flown with 10,000 hr dash 8 captains on the 145 (boomers/gen Xers) whom I wouldn’t trust to manage a cup of coffee no less the jungle jet.

As a captain I’ve flown with new hire cadets who more than knew what they were doing.

All anecdotal I suppose.

GrabNGoBag 04-12-2021 05:40 PM

There is a rising number of 3.5 stripers in the right seat who think they know everything.


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