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CptnDave 04-12-2021 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3220846)
from what I can tell it’s not just envoy, but cadets as a whole. Which makes me think it’s not just cadets, but now we are reaping the benefits of no child left behind participation award generations. You know the ones that never had to do any research or studying on their own

No child left behind? How much older than these new hires are you? Not to sound like a jerk but if you really feel some kind of generational gap between you and your FO’s that you want to come on here and bash them so much, they’re probably looking at you wondering why you’re still at a regional.

buddies8 04-13-2021 02:56 AM

Oh here we go generational gap, oh wait no one has to answer why they are still here, what should be asked why the cadets have no idea whats in the fom or there respective aom. Oh God help you if the autopilot or autothrottles are mel'd.

ClappedOut145 04-13-2021 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3220952)
Oh here we go generational gap, oh wait no one has to answer why they are still here, what should be asked why the cadets have no idea whats in the fom or there respective aom. Oh God help you if the autopilot or autothrottles are mel'd.

The lack of AOM knowledge is a reflection of the training department. AQP has enabled pilots to become lazy and not learn. How many new pilots could draw the hydraulic system and actually explain how it works? We are not AA and despite the dream to standardize everything with them, our training needs to be more robust because we are seeing a different type of pilot than them.

captive apple 04-13-2021 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3220981)
The lack of AOM knowledge is a reflection of the training department. AQP has enabled pilots to become lazy and not learn. How many new pilots could draw the hydraulic system and actually explain how it works? We are not AA and despite the dream to standardize everything with them, our training needs to be more robust because we are seeing a different type of pilot than them.

There is no valid reason to be able to draw a system. Nice try. When that was required people only really knew it for the month around the PC then dumped it as they flew the line for the next five months anyway.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.

Cujo665 04-13-2021 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3220988)
There is no valid reason to be able to draw a system. Nice try. When that was required people only really knew it for the month around the PC then dumped it as they flew the line for the next five months anyway.
Your entire library of manuals at home is now always with you in the cockpit to be factually referenced if you have a situation out on the line. This is progress.

Disagree vehemently. When "it" hits the fan is not the time to be looking up in an EFB how a system is laid out and operates. That's the time to be running the appropriate checklists, which BTW are designed to be run by somebody that understands the system. Not every event will have a checklist or memory item, and many events will be such that you need your system knowledge to not make things worse. If you can't be bothered to understand the systems on the ONLY type plane you are being paid to fly hundreds of passengers per day, then you have no business in the front end of the jet.


So on the E145, HYD SYS 1 FAIL with a L ENG FIRE EICAS pops on short final going into LGA, or even Key West... what about at 31L at JFK, any difference?
Are you landing or going around?
What systems are or aren't going to be available to you?
Do you really have time to look up the stuff on your EFB like you said?

GrabNGoBag 04-13-2021 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3220995)
Disagree vehemently. When "it" hits the fan is not the time to be looking up in an EFB how a system is laid out and operates. That's the time to be running the appropriate checklists, which BTW are designed to be run by somebody that understands the system. Not every event will have a checklist or memory item, and many events will be such that you need your system knowledge to not make things worse. If you can't be bothered to understand the systems on the ONLY type plane you are being paid to fly hundreds of passengers per day, then you have no business in the front end of the jet.

They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.

Cujo665 04-13-2021 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag (Post 3220999)
They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.

Most unprofessional post of the year right there.

GrabNGoBag 04-13-2021 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3221002)
Most unprofessional post of the year right there.

What? I have always looked at it of compensating me for what they ask me. The FOM or GOM will lay out what is it expected of you. That's what I do and not an inch more. I don't say hi to the TSA agent or gate agent since I'm not required to. Why do something if they're not going to pay you for it?

TransWorld 04-13-2021 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by GrabNGoBag (Post 3220999)
They don't pay us enough to understand how the systems work on that level. Don't matter if we're carrying 10 or 300 people. Start paying us more and maybe we can learn the systems in depth.

As my dad used to say, “It ain’t my yab, man.” What do you do? I put these nuts on these bolts. Others would say, I work on the assembly line making cars. Others would say I help provide mobility to millions of people.

buddies8 04-13-2021 06:54 AM

All true, but it is your responsibility to know the fom and aom, if you can't comprehend then maybe run for president next election.


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