Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3223422)

I remember someone telling me back in th mid nineties, working at a regional, they were trying for 6% pay increase and they were forced into a 3% increase only. He said you know 5 early and 10 late is 25%.

Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3224281)

So new hires again this year and flow starting again too.

Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3224332)

Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3224332)

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3224364)

Just remember, the “promise” of flow is all about managing attrition.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3220131)

I have to disagree with the hiring coming back sooner rather than later. Like I said in my previous response, all the people that have been benched, however many of the approximately 225 come back, will need quite a bit of training time. Yes, there will be SOME hiring after that. But just like every other carrier, Envoy will be smaller. Roughly 80% of what it was. They are basically attritting down to that size. When they start hiring again, it will be for that continued attrition, with no real indication of growth for the foreseeable future. The whole industry will need to really start moving again to see the kind of attrition they had in the past. And a smaller Envoy also means less flow as flow is based on number of pilots on the seniority list. That is all part of the attrition-hiring equation. I just don’t see the kind of numbers Envoy was hiring for some time. I mean they were telling people to go to PSA.

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3224386)

I'm glad I'm not the only one with this take. They definitely wouldn't be promising flow if they weren't seriously concerned. Maybe we can lean into their staffing anxiety and get some cost neutral goodies.