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CptnDave 04-20-2021 03:03 PM

Leave it to this pilot group to be upset about the best news we’ve had in over a year...

buddies8 04-20-2021 03:19 PM

Thats your opnion

highfarfast 04-20-2021 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3224406)
Leave it to this pilot group to be upset about the best news we’ve had in over a year...

I was actually glad to see guys getting out and going places and not waiting on flow.

But seriously 04-20-2021 04:07 PM

ENY is flowing pilots because they have to when AA is hiring. AA is hiring because they need pilots. I’m pretty sure that’s as deep as the conspiracy goes.

This is unequivocally good news. It’s still good for those that are actively trying to go elsewhere, because the guys that will flow in the fall were the ones holding the CA seat you needed for PIC time, the line you wanted, the vacation, the OT, etc. Movement is good for everyone.

TransWorld 04-20-2021 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3224432)
ENY is flowing pilots because they have to when AA is hiring. AA is hiring because they need pilots. I’m pretty sure that’s as deep as the conspiracy goes.

This is unequivocally good news. It’s still good for those that are actively trying to go elsewhere, because the guys that will flow in the fall were the ones holding the CA seat you needed for PIC time, the line you wanted, the vacation, the OT, etc. Movement is good for everyone.

And why is AA hiring?

1. Retirements
2. COVID PAX loadfactor recovery

dera 04-20-2021 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3224434)
And why is AA hiring?

1. Retirements
2. COVID PAX loadfactor recovery

Summer numbers are better than even the most optimistic scenarios 3 months ago.

ClappedOut145 04-20-2021 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3224406)
Leave it to this pilot group to be upset about the best news we’ve had in over a year...

I wonder how many just cost themselves a flow slot by bidding over to the heavy in the last two bids? That would be less than ideal to have just cost yourself $250,000 at the end of your career because you really wanted to fly the big Envoy iron.

BattMartle 04-20-2021 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3224437)
I wonder how many just cost themselves a flow slot by bidding over to the heavy in the last two bids? That would be less than ideal to have just cost yourself $250,000 at the end of your career because you really wanted to fly the big Envoy iron.

Didn’t they know this was just a momentary blip in human history?

NoValueAviator 04-20-2021 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3224406)
Leave it to this pilot group to be upset about the best news we’ve had in over a year...

I was looking at an 8-9 yr. flow before this crap. If flow affects me it'll be because my career failed utterly.

pitchattitude 04-20-2021 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3224391)
This didn’t age well...

I’ll be more than happy to be wrong. But it still hasn’t happened. We’ll see when those flows and Envoy new hires actually happen, and how many there really are. As someone else pointed out the flow numbers will still be even less than they were.


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