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CptnDave 08-08-2021 05:45 AM

Regionals shrink, 50 seaters go away, more pilots move to legacy carriers, regionals operate 76 seaters on the same routes at lower frequency. Around the same amount of people get moved. This solves staffing issues at majors without draining all their regionals of pilots.

Cujo665 08-08-2021 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3275776)
Pretty much everyone else called it too. Would you like a participation trophy?

everyone? You do realize to this day many ALPA national leaders still say there’s no shortage, right? That many managements were demanding concessions from every pilot group right up to December 2014 and insisting it wasn’t a problem in spite of the fact we told them they’d be giving raises and improving working conditions before the ink was dry on that CBA extension.
you may have been agreeing with what we were saying, but to say everybody was saying it is false. There’s still large numbers of management and even union leaders who say there’s no shortage.

TransWorld 08-08-2021 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3275776)
Pretty much everyone else called it too. Would you like a participation trophy?

When I made the call, I had bricks and stones hurled at me on this forum. Glad to hear more and more getting on board.

What I said we would go down to 1/4 of the number of regionals (already lost 5, with 1 trying to take off again), and 1/2 the number of regional pilots (20,000 down to 10,000).

50 seaters will reduce to very few. 76 seaters will fly those routes with less frequency.

76 seaters will be replaced by main line aircraft in some services, generally less frequency.

I stand by my prediction. Will occur by mid decade.

Hold on tight, we are about to kick in the afterburners.

Dumpy 08-08-2021 12:29 PM

Last I heard AA has not started paperwork on any of our flows that are supposed to be in the September class. AA recruiting has said that Envoy has not sent a list of the flow pilots yet. Anybody legitimately know what’s up? Envoy clearly knows who should be going. Are they going to force majeure the flow due to a pilot shortage? It would be a self-defeating move, but color me concerned…

pitchattitude 08-08-2021 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Dumpy (Post 3276083)
Last I heard AA has not started paperwork on any of our flows that are supposed to be in the September class. AA recruiting has said that Envoy has not sent a list of the flow pilots yet. Anybody legitimately know what’s up? Envoy clearly knows who should be going. Are they going to force majeure the flow due to a pilot shortage? It would be a self-defeating move, but color me concerned…

I would be asking this directly to multiple union sources instead of on an anonymous forum. But YMMV.

Dumpy 08-08-2021 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3276124)
I would be asking this directly to multiple union sources instead of on an anonymous forum. But YMMV.

Was hoping for a simple answer. I’m not directly effected by it, was just curious. Don’t care enough right now to chase the union down with it…

buddies8 08-08-2021 02:39 PM

My question is has american hired anyone in September class that yall referring to. If not you ain't flowing

But seriously 08-08-2021 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3276188)
My question is has american hired anyone in September class that yall referring to. If not you ain't flowing

Supposedly the Sept classes are, in fact, for new hires. Nothing says that the flows have to go in the first class of the month (We had that option and voted against it).

I doubt the company will try to renege on the flow, but I can’t say I’d be SHOCKED if they do. Staffing is pretty stretched to start losing 20 more CA’s every month.

NotChewbacca 08-08-2021 08:13 PM

Speaking of stretched staffing…. More super critical. I hope someone cracks $20k this month (full disclosure…. Definitely not gonna be me). Probably need vacation and an abject disregard for social / family life, but given the right combo I think it’d be attainable for a 5+ year captain.

vikaask 08-12-2021 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3276255)
Supposedly the Sept classes are, in fact, for new hires. Nothing says that the flows have to go in the first class of the month (We had that option and voted against it).

I doubt the company will try to renege on the flow, but I can’t say I’d be SHOCKED if they do. Staffing is pretty stretched to start losing 20 more CA’s every month.

Can confirm, I'm slated for an October class, according to the hiring folks, all the furloughs are in class/done and the rest of the new classes are new hires!


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