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pitchattitude 08-12-2021 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3278632)
That is what is reported on Plane spotters:

Envoy
1 E140
57 E145
1 E170
98 E175

Piedmont
57 E145

PSA
61 CRJ-700
69 CRJ-900

Rumor has Envoy transferring more E145s to Piedmont starting Sept 2021. Also, it appears Envoy has a significant order (62?) of new E175s, likely to backfill for those E145s, plus potentially some growth. But those are unconfirmed rumors.

Will Piedmont fly those additions birds or will they retire some of their oldest E145s? Don’t know. Will those additional E175s mean reduced flying for the non WO regionals flying for AA? Don’t know.

Considering September is right around the corner with schedules being pretty firm by now, that would also likely have been announced by now.

vikaask 08-12-2021 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by starphisone (Post 3278598)
You get a call or email? First or second class for Oct?

Not sure as of now which class they're giving to our interview pool, we're getting that info in the next week or two. Latest by the 1st week of September.

Lord Of Corn 08-12-2021 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by vikaask (Post 3278665)
Not sure as of now which class they're giving to our interview pool, we're getting that info in the next week or two. Latest by the 1st week of September.

Did they schedule you an atp ctp and orientation yet?

vikaask 08-12-2021 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Lord Of Corn (Post 3278667)
Did they schedule you an atp ctp and orientation yet?

Negative, just an EFC for those details. They definitely are running short-staffed in the recruiting department so things aren't moving.

We were told after being given the "pre-offer" to expect to hear from them regarding the exact date come September. Spoke to my recruiter this morning who told me that all furloughed pilots/cadets are in class now, the most recent being this week IIRC

The ensuing classes will be new hires entirely.

buddies8 08-13-2021 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 3278649)
62 new planes is a big debt load.

thats why skw and rah will buy them with a 12 year contract with aag, then envoy will be free to park the e145's with no effect to the aag schedule.
easy.
p.s.
Envoy will shrink. That way when envoy flows it will look as a larger percentage of envoy pilots are flowing monthly.
Just an opinion based on past aag shaft jobs

6ix9ineYearFlow 08-15-2021 09:23 AM

As AAG has more trouble paying their debts, the odds of Envoy or any of the other wholly-owneds getting spun-off or shutdown further increase. I'm sure a place like SkyWest or Republic would be happy to take newer E175s off of AA's hands.

dk104444 08-15-2021 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow (Post 3279881)
As AAG has more trouble paying their debts, the odds of Envoy or any of the other wholly-owneds getting spun-off or shutdown further increase. I'm sure a place like SkyWest or Republic would be happy to take newer E175s off of AA's hands.

If you haven't done so look at the last State of the airline. Where AAG paid 1 billion debt down overnight and is planning to reduce another 15 billion by 2030. Inflation is horrible for us but is helping AAG. Parker actually said AAG has too much liquidity.

UAL just added 40 billion debt with their purchase and DAL buying used planes is just delaying the inevitable.

SomePilotDude 08-15-2021 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by dk104444 (Post 3279887)
If you haven't done so look at the last State of the airline. Where AAG paid 1 billion debt down overnight and is planning to reduce another 15 billion by 2030. Inflation is horrible for us but is helping AAG. Parker actually said AAG has too much liquidity.

UAL just added 40 billion debt with their purchase and DAL buying used planes is just delaying the inevitable.

I sort of agree. AA needed the debt to refresh their fleet. They did so when it made sense. United just got insanely luckily with this order because I’m sure they’re getting a hell of a discount. Delta should have followed UA, but they are going with used airplanes which will ultimately lead them to buy newer planes when prices rebound. However, the current debt load at AA even with our liquidity is something to be incredibly concerned about. Another Covid2.0 and this ship is sunk. Cheap flights got people into the door, but our awful customer service is kicking the higher paying pax out the door in waves. Those are the ones we need to survive.

buddies8 08-15-2021 10:30 AM

Aag will just go after more spirit paxs. As it is aa flights resemble spirit flights in the cabin.

NoValueAviator 08-20-2021 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3279919)
Aag will just go after more spirit paxs. As it is aa flights resemble spirit flights in the cabin.

tbh our miami pax are worse than the average spirit pax anywhere else.


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