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pitchattitude 08-03-2021 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3272738)
even way back in the bankruptcy refinancing when they had to open their books involuntarily, the plan was 2024 for the EMB's. Covid may have made that more financially feasible to do sooner, with the glut of good used aircraft on the market cheap.

Shrinking isn't the plan, replacing is. The shrinking comes later from the pilot shortage.

What “good used aircraft” are there that can replace the 145? They have to be small RJ by scope and if ENY is going to fly them, they really have to be 170s. Not that many made and all indications are that of the nine AeroMexico had only one was in good enough condition to purchase.

Then there is the issue of a whole other company (PDT) that needs to have its aircraft replaced, but since those are at another company, they could be any plane that met scope of a small RJ.

Cujo665 08-03-2021 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3272741)
What “good used aircraft” are there that can replace the 145? They have to be small RJ by scope and if ENY is going to fly them, they really have to be 170s. Not that many made and all indications are that of the nine AeroMexico had only one was in good enough condition to purchase.

Then there is the issue of a whole other company (PDT) that needs to have its aircraft replaced, but since those are at another company, they could be any plane that met scope of a small RJ.

You're still thinking too locally. PDT will likely become staffing fodder via consolidation for the other two as the shortage worsens. As the vendors drop (like TSA did) due to not meeting contractual completion factors that opens up that many more large RJ slots. There's other things they can do as well. Think about it a little.

pitchattitude 08-03-2021 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3272743)
You're still thinking too locally. PDT will likely become staffing fodder via consolidation for the other two as the shortage worsens. As the vendors drop (like TSA did) due to not meeting contractual completion factors that opens up that many more large RJ slots. There's other things they can do as well. Think about it a little.

I WAS thinking globally. That’s why I included PDT. Most people have written them off as an “also ran” that will fall by the wayside. But American has to do something with those seat capabilities.

The only vendor, singular, that could, and likely will go away, is Mesa, at the end of their contract. Skywest and Republic aren’t going anywhere.

EAFF95 08-03-2021 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3272799)
I WAS thinking globally. That’s why I included PDT. Most people have written them off as an “also ran” that will fall by the wayside. But American has to do something with those seat capabilities.

The only vendor, singular, that could, and likely will go away, is Mesa, at the end of their contract. Skywest and Republic aren’t going anywhere.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...-american.html

pitchattitude 08-03-2021 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by EAFF95 (Post 3272804)

Almost a year old for a five year contract. Daddy Dougie’s days at American are numbered and when he leaves, Mesa loses it champion at AAG.

Like I said, Skywest and Republic aren’t going anywhere. If someone gets cut it will be Mesa.

captive apple 08-03-2021 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by EAFF95 (Post 3272804)

The reality is what ever you make of it. Some would say going from 60 odd planes to 40 is a negative. A positive for Mesa in this deal is AA asked them to keep flying more than 40 for the time being.

CptnDave 08-03-2021 11:26 AM

Who owns Mesa's 900's?

buddies8 08-03-2021 03:51 PM

Thatsok, skw is adding 40 crj700's for aag and rah at least 20 e170's for aag.

pitchattitude 08-03-2021 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3273067)
Thatsok, skw is adding 40 crj700's for aag and rah at least 20 e170's for aag.

I think you might be mixing information. Thought it was something like 20 CRJs that SKW already owned and 25 175s they were purchasing. RAH got the six new planes that were sold off under cover of darkness and swapped in place of the 170s but haven’t heard of any more than that for RAH.

But still both indications that they will continue to fly for AAG, long after Mesa and probably PDT as well.

pitchattitude 08-03-2021 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3272915)
Who owns Mesa's 900's?

There were about a half dozen the were leased from AAG. Not sure what the status of this panes are anymore.


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