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dera 10-21-2021 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by DescendVia (Post 3312529)
There was no TS that has done that flight so far this month.

VAS tends to post these a few months after the event.

Varsity 10-21-2021 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by gbo2 (Post 3311947)
Any tips or tricks I should know that will make my life a bit easier being a new commuting 145 ORD guy?

Anything specific about the jet that you guys like/dislike?


The best tip I can offer is resign and go somewhere else.

Junior on the 145 at envoy is a special place in hell.

SomePilotDude 10-21-2021 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by DescendVia (Post 3312529)
There was no TS that has done that flight so far this month.

Maybe look at a previous month as Dera said.

dera 10-21-2021 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by SomePilotDude (Post 3312612)
Maybe look at a previous month as Dera said.


"Next" month is all DECS knows, and next month is now November since it's past the 15th.
Got to go to fos.aa.com and look up the flight number, gate, and origin and destination.

ClappedOut145 10-29-2021 07:40 AM

And another MEC Chairman has chosen to leave Envoy for an outside carrier. Looks like ND is heading to JetBlue. Clearly the promise of flow and large sums of cash isn’t working as well as AAG had hoped.

uavking 10-29-2021 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3315614)
And another MEC Chairman has chosen to leave Envoy for an outside carrier. Looks like ND is heading to JetBlue. Clearly the promise of flow and large sums of cash isn’t working as well as AAG had hoped.

You act as if you're surprised. 2022 is going to be a war for talent among the legacies and majors as our staffing collapses. Latest example being Spirit's new minimums which target our junior FOs. Grab a cup of coffee and listen to the Titanic's string quartet, because that's probably all our mgt has in answer.

Cujo665 10-30-2021 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3315614)
And another MEC Chairman has chosen to leave Envoy for an outside carrier. Looks like ND is heading to JetBlue. Clearly the promise of flow and large sums of cash isn’t working as well as AAG had hoped.


I hope the MEC has done a better job than we did recruiting FO's into union positions. We had been stagnant for so long that the union had the benefit of volunteers with years and years of experience. That isn't the case now, and if they don't start getting FO's involved early, they'll lose all the institutional knowledge that had been accumulated with nobody functional to pass it to except a newbie.

pitchattitude 10-30-2021 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3316065)
I hope the MEC has done a better job than we did recruiting FO's into union positions. We had been stagnant for so long that the union had the benefit of volunteers with years and years of experience. That isn't the case now, and if they don't start getting FO's involved early, they'll lose all the institutional knowledge that had been accumulated with nobody functional to pass it to except a newbie.

They do a pretty good job if that. Unfortunately there are plenty with no experience, period. Someone who has literally done nothing besides flight instructing prior to being hired doesn’t bring much to the table.

Cujo665 10-30-2021 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3316077)
They do a pretty good job if that. Unfortunately there are plenty with no experience, period. Someone who has literally done nothing besides flight instructing prior to being hired doesn’t bring much to the table.

those are exactly the ones to target. That way the effort to teach and train is retained within the union the longest. Lifers are another good choice, but have limits on where you put them since you don’t want too many in leadership decision making as their career objectives are not representative of the majority. They make great committee chairman, grievance committee especially…. Not so much as LEC/MEC members. You need a few for perspective but not too many.

pitchattitude 10-30-2021 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3316162)
those are exactly the ones to target. That way the effort to teach and train is retained within the union the longest. Lifers are another good choice, but have limits on where you put them since you don’t want too many in leadership decision making as their career objectives are not representative of the majority. They make great committee chairman, grievance committee especially…. Not so much as LEC/MEC members. You need a few for perspective but not too many.

My point is you don’t want some young kid who has never had to deal with any kind of management or made significant life decisions trying to represent you when you have a chief pilot or company lawyer up against you.

I agree that everyone’s interests needs to be represented but you need to have some maturity to even know what is in your best interest.


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