very few flows, very little movement... it’s good news but changes very little at envoy.

if AA catches up flows for the last year, then it’ll be great, but I haven’t heard that mentioned.

Thanks Captain obvious! Just messing, but yeah I think most everyone including cadets would probably forget their own gf/wife’s middle name sooner than forgetting that the flow is designed to keep the regional staffed. That being said, at least AAG gave the option to flow if you fly for them after X# years, unlike UA and DL, who hand out TBNT letters to the lucky few that get through the selection process to even get an interview opportunity, after many, many, years flying there pax around reliably for shockingly less pay. IMHO, Don’t rip the flow. It’s a good thing even in the worst light. Instead try to beat it.


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This is how 95% of the pilot group feels. The collective unit who complains about flow are the ones who choose not to.

With that said, it’s a rock and a hard place here for our respected senior pilots. It’s tough to go both ways. Either you flow more for less, or take less for more flow. Hence, some think the flow is a carrot for less QOL, and some think the flow is worth more than temporary QOL.

With that said, the flow is not useless and I am happy to have one even with an accredited 4 year degree with a clean record. My aspiration is to beat the flow. If I am missing a diversity requirement or something else pops up that I don’t know about, I can at least move on. But that won’t stop me from networking and applying to the majors, including American!


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Envoy cancelled the Training Freezes for the bids in 2020 to save having to give 5 hours per month to displaced pilots.

No Training Freeze = No Flow Lock


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The cancelled training freeze only effected those that were "frozen" at the time. Those that vacancy bid over after that are now committed to a year seat lock until flowing.

I would highly doubt there are very many that this would affect. Great news they are hiring again and even better news about the flow starting, however there won’t be significant flow movement in the next 12 months. I would assume those that could have held the heavy and been under 12 months from flow transitioned long ago.

I don't disagree. I was just responding to what seemed to be a misconception.

The last two bids didn’t come with an HI6 saying that the locks were canceled. There are some people who were close to flowing who switched planes. Some of those who have long suffered will suffer a bit more.

"Over to the heavy......wanted to fly the big Envoy iron.
That....is hilarious!