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BigZ 04-09-2021 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatched (Post 3219499)
If we need a lifer than I would like to nominate buddies8, he won’t take any sh*t from nobody.

seconded

Filler

buddies8 04-09-2021 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3219253)
the union has shut down a lot of BS company request by saying as long as the cadets program is sucking up money they won’t bend

and rightly so.

buddies8 04-09-2021 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatched (Post 3219499)
If we need a lifer than I would like to nominate buddies8, he won’t take any sh*t from nobody.

you want to hang out with my wife
I just get up and go for a drive.

ClappedOut145 04-09-2021 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3219253)
the union has shut down a lot of BS company request by saying as long as the cadets program is sucking up money they won’t bend

Everyone one of the cadets should have immediately had their contracts torn up and should have been released. The fact that Envoy kept them through the furlough and them let them skate on over to PSA should be a message to every potential pilot who wants to come here. Envoy is willing to give pilots on property the shaft but will continue to support a pet project of flight ops.

Also, I’m pretty sure Buddies8 has less than a year until he retires. That wouldn't help us very much.

aewhistleblower 04-09-2021 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3219306)
Justin Timberlake? Or JT the former LGA CA rep who is on the verge of flowing as soon as this thing starts back up? We need a lifer to run the show. Someone who isn’t part of the revolving door and has a long term interest in making Envoy a decent place to be.


The problem here is the company, it doesn’t matter who our chairman is. Envoy has a terrible culture, and management doesn’t want to change that. Heck, we can’t even get a cost neutral negotiation contract done, the negotiations have stalled. I’d much rather have someone looking for the flow than trying to make envoy a better company, cuz that ain’t happening! How many times have we tried new reserve rules?(oof, that one is old) AIP?(shall not be forgotten) Unpaid learning hub training? New pay rates that were delayed for months and we never got any interest out of that? Calling people to volunteer for flights and giving them a MA for not taking a reassignment? And the list goes on... As I said, the problem is not in who the new chairman is, but Envoy management.

Sasquatched 04-09-2021 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3219556)
Also, I’m pretty sure Buddies8 has less than a year until he retires. That wouldn't help us very much.

Ah, you’re correct. More than a year but not by much. I didn’t know you were so old buddies8! Those drives are going to become more frequent.

Well the Commander has 5 years left, how about him! He’s always a bundle of joy to interact with. Stone cold face during negotiations.

pangolin 04-09-2021 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by goforlaunch (Post 3218559)
Any idea if Envoy will honor CJOs when they start hiring?

There are still unfurloughed pilots awaiting training to go back to the line.

buddies8 04-10-2021 07:48 AM

Flow ah yes, let negotiate everything away ( what little we have ) for more flow. Yes let's do that, I'm for it. I need a laugh from the side lines.

aewhistleblower 04-10-2021 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3219828)
Flow ah yes, let negotiate everything away ( what little we have ) for more flow. Yes let's do that, I'm for it. I need a laugh from the side lines.

Like there’s something we can negotiate here. We can’t f* win

buddies8 04-10-2021 08:11 AM

When there is no clear path to a victory, sometimes its better to sit there an do nothing.


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