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ClappedOut145 07-22-2021 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 3267539)
We are supposed to vote on any significant changes to the cba. I'd like to know what significant means to ALPA because apparently changing pay rates, ot rates, days off, and others don't qualify.
Directly from page 47 of the ALPA Policy Manual "Membership Ratification apply to contracts only and will not apply to Letters of Understanding (LOU) or Letters of Agreement (LOA)."

Your rep is your vote. Don't like it, change your rep. It has been done before. ZB lead a recall in ORD in the past.

buddies8 07-22-2021 11:44 PM
Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3267532)
In the weekly meeting, AA asked Envoy to send more flows and Envoy said no.
I doubt that.

BattMartle 07-23-2021 05:14 AM
Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3267540)
Directly from page 47 of the ALPA Policy Manual "Membership Ratification apply to contracts only and will not apply to Letters of Understanding (LOU) or Letters of Agreement (LOA)."

Your rep is your vote. Don't like it, change your rep. It has been done before. ZB lead a recall in ORD in the past.
Chicago upheld the tradition from what I’m told… the one where they listen to pilot input and vote the way their pilots want. That tradition was started by the immortal TC… and carried on after he left.

NoValueAviator 07-23-2021 05:26 AM
DFW needs to get their act together imo, we're about to have leverage again and we need a steady hand on the tiller so we don't blow it. Again.

There was no reason to give the company this gift while they're JMing the hell out of us.

BattMartle 07-23-2021 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3267715)
the senior OT hawks that we call our MEC wanted this so they can easily make extra cash before they flow or leave. It does nothing to long term benefit anyone, just a nice perk for the ones senior enough to scoop the good OT
Honestly, the ORD rep who voted no loves him some OT. He did what he saw as right anyway. I give them all credit because it is a tough job balancing what the pilots want and what you view as the best tactical move. Remember that negotiating strategy is kept secret to the extent possible, so they have to sometimes vote a certain way knowing that they have more information than the pilots.

pitchattitude 07-23-2021 06:26 AM
Originally Posted by BattMartle (Post 3267706)
Chicago upheld the tradition from what I’m told… the one where they listen to pilot input and vote the way their pilots want. That tradition was started by the immortal TC… and carried on after he left.
Immortal? That’s a bit over the top, even for this forum.

BattMartle 07-23-2021 06:33 AM
Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3267739)
Immortal? That’s a bit over the top, even for this forum.
It’s hyperbole. But he is a good dude. I hope he’s having fun at his new adventure.

buddies8 07-23-2021 07:51 AM
Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3267672)
especially if the company “realizes the CBA needs improvements to attract new pilots”. One of the simplest things they could do is increase the flow and the cadets will come flocking
literally who f'n care about attracting cadets. Its not pilot job to. also not pilot job to give things away to get cadets to come here.


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