Pilot Recruiting
11-06-2022 | 04:08 PM
#601
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This is a VERY new thing. Honestly so far outside the box from anything Envoy has done. Currently, all captains are required to do right seat familiarization during recurrent. FOs are not a limiting factor right now but there is as far as I know no means of captains picking up on the FO side. As far as those captain qualified FOs go, I would say the same is true. But if you want to fly as a captain then you need to bid as a captain. Not going to be able to pick and choose.
But I don’t want to fly right seat. So I don’t test the waters.
11-06-2022 | 04:22 PM
#602
In a land of unicorns
Joined: Apr 2014
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From: Whale FO
I’ve always wondered what would happen if I sent an RF request for an FO seat. I mean, the form asks what seat so it must mean I can pick it up in theory. And if I was awarded it, would I get captain pay? FO pay? How would premium credit be applied? So many questions…
But I don’t want to fly right seat. So I don’t test the waters.
But I don’t want to fly right seat. So I don’t test the waters.
11-07-2022 | 07:40 AM
#604
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This thread is proving that Envoy is still attracting more DECs than any other airline, and more are on the fence thinking about jumping in. Envoy has a good training department, good aircraft, good work rules, longevity matching, and good pay, especially for those planning to stay and cash in on the bonuses. Many seem to be coming from outside of 121, either due to retirement, part 135 or 91 gigs, career changes, or military, and some are still coming from less desirable regionals.
I think Envoy has a good strategy, training as many pilots as captains as possible. They won’t waste money upgrading pilots after less than a year, and if they get desperate, they can force upgrade the FO bidding DECs early. It appears that Envoy is hurting less for captains than other regionals because they were among the first to raise pay and prioritize those with 121 time or an equivalent. It might hurt them later, but they are focused on the current crisis.
For those who keep asking will they be able to get a base, vacancy bids are usually run at the end of every quarter. I would guess that movement within each base will depend on attrition, upgrades, displacements from the E145, and potential transfers to PHX when that base opens. The 10/31 Indoc class had 3 ORD E175 FOs and the rest got DFW E175 CA or FO according to the class drop thread. The next few classes will probably be similar until a new vacancy is run. Recruiters are likely to tell you what you want to hear, but they can’t predict accurately without knowing whether a recession is finally going to slow down the business or how many pilots will still leave for greener pastures or how many FOs will finally reach 1,000 hours and get upgraded. We live in unprecedented times.
I think Envoy has a good strategy, training as many pilots as captains as possible. They won’t waste money upgrading pilots after less than a year, and if they get desperate, they can force upgrade the FO bidding DECs early. It appears that Envoy is hurting less for captains than other regionals because they were among the first to raise pay and prioritize those with 121 time or an equivalent. It might hurt them later, but they are focused on the current crisis.
For those who keep asking will they be able to get a base, vacancy bids are usually run at the end of every quarter. I would guess that movement within each base will depend on attrition, upgrades, displacements from the E145, and potential transfers to PHX when that base opens. The 10/31 Indoc class had 3 ORD E175 FOs and the rest got DFW E175 CA or FO according to the class drop thread. The next few classes will probably be similar until a new vacancy is run. Recruiters are likely to tell you what you want to hear, but they can’t predict accurately without knowing whether a recession is finally going to slow down the business or how many pilots will still leave for greener pastures or how many FOs will finally reach 1,000 hours and get upgraded. We live in unprecedented times.
11-07-2022 | 12:17 PM
#606
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You left “good QOL” out on purpose cause you probably knew there are 0 lines next month with weekends off at any of the bases. I don't see this improving.
11-07-2022 | 01:59 PM
#607
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Is PBS going to be implemented soon? Shouldn’t that allow some of the senior pilots to get all weekends off? I would say vote with your feet, but the junior pilots at all airlines will be working holidays and weekends for awhile, and once you get them off, you lose them when you upgrade.
11-07-2022 | 03:43 PM
#608
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Joined: Sep 2022
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I am sorry I posted too rosy a picture. No, I didn’t know. I look at it from the perspective that pilots complain everywhere and you appear to have fewer complaints than most regionals.
Is PBS going to be implemented soon? Shouldn’t that allow some of the senior pilots to get all weekends off? I would say vote with your feet, but the junior pilots at all airlines will be working holidays and weekends for awhile, and once you get them off, you lose them when you upgrade.
Is PBS going to be implemented soon? Shouldn’t that allow some of the senior pilots to get all weekends off? I would say vote with your feet, but the junior pilots at all airlines will be working holidays and weekends for awhile, and once you get them off, you lose them when you upgrade.
It’s also peak season….low staffing and busy schedules might be an indication of sh!t schedules
11-09-2022 | 08:25 AM
#609
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Joined: Jul 2017
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From: CRJ9 CA
This thread is proving that Envoy is still attracting more DECs than any other airline, and more are on the fence thinking about jumping in. Envoy has a good training department, good aircraft, good work rules, longevity matching, and good pay, especially for those planning to stay and cash in on the bonuses. Many seem to be coming from outside of 121, either due to retirement, part 135 or 91 gigs, career changes, or military, and some are still coming from less desirable regionals.
I think Envoy has a good strategy, training as many pilots as captains as possible. They won’t waste money upgrading pilots after less than a year, and if they get desperate, they can force upgrade the FO bidding DECs early. It appears that Envoy is hurting less for captains than other regionals because they were among the first to raise pay and prioritize those with 121 time or an equivalent. It might hurt them later, but they are focused on the current crisis.
For those who keep asking will they be able to get a base, vacancy bids are usually run at the end of every quarter. I would guess that movement within each base will depend on attrition, upgrades, displacements from the E145, and potential transfers to PHX when that base opens. The 10/31 Indoc class had 3 ORD E175 FOs and the rest got DFW E175 CA or FO according to the class drop thread. The next few classes will probably be similar until a new vacancy is run. Recruiters are likely to tell you what you want to hear, but they can’t predict accurately without knowing whether a recession is finally going to slow down the business or how many pilots will still leave for greener pastures or how many FOs will finally reach 1,000 hours and get upgraded. We live in unprecedented times.
I think Envoy has a good strategy, training as many pilots as captains as possible. They won’t waste money upgrading pilots after less than a year, and if they get desperate, they can force upgrade the FO bidding DECs early. It appears that Envoy is hurting less for captains than other regionals because they were among the first to raise pay and prioritize those with 121 time or an equivalent. It might hurt them later, but they are focused on the current crisis.
For those who keep asking will they be able to get a base, vacancy bids are usually run at the end of every quarter. I would guess that movement within each base will depend on attrition, upgrades, displacements from the E145, and potential transfers to PHX when that base opens. The 10/31 Indoc class had 3 ORD E175 FOs and the rest got DFW E175 CA or FO according to the class drop thread. The next few classes will probably be similar until a new vacancy is run. Recruiters are likely to tell you what you want to hear, but they can’t predict accurately without knowing whether a recession is finally going to slow down the business or how many pilots will still leave for greener pastures or how many FOs will finally reach 1,000 hours and get upgraded. We live in unprecedented times.
11-10-2022 | 06:12 PM
#610
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Hiring non-121 F/O’s
So now that Republic has stopped hiring (NOTE: Referring to non-121) F/O’s, AA WO have stopped hiring F/O’s, SkyWest has stopped hiring F/O’s, Horizon is not hiring F/O’s, Mesa has stopped hiring F/O’s, that leaves Air Wisconsin & CommuteAir, Frontier, Spirit, Breeze, Silver, Wheels-Up, Go-Jet, FlexJet, & NetJets who are left hiring 1500 CFI F/O’s. What are these regionals going to do when these high time F/O’s leave for the Legacy’s and the 1500 CFI’s will all be gone to the ULCC or 135 world after being ghosted for so long.
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