Envoy 2022: The Flow of Charlie Bucket

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03-15-2022 | 03:27 PM

#171

Propeller

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Originally Posted by gbo2

Any specific reason? Commuting to reserve on the 145 for now and see that the schedules are pretty brutal even for line holders with only 2 days off between most trips. Moving to base isn’t an option.

At least being junior youll get called and wont spend much if anything on hotels. Jet > turboprop

03-15-2022 | 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gbo2

Would a move to wheelsup for a low time FO be smart?

Do you want to move on to a bigger airline, or do you want to fly charter? Looks bad moving away from 121, especially to a smaller aircraft, especially not being a jet, even if it is still a turbine.

03-15-2022 | 03:54 PM

#173

gbo2

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Originally Posted by Propeller

At least being junior youll get called and wont spend much if anything on hotels. Jet > turboprop

It’s for the Beechcraft 400. My main pull would be for the 8/6 schedule and more time at home. I would love to eventually end up at a legacy.

03-15-2022 | 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pitchattitude

Do you want to move on to a bigger airline, or do you want to fly charter? Looks bad moving away from 121, especially to a smaller aircraft, especially not being a jet, even if it is still a turbine.

Honestly I’m not sure. Im still so new I don’t know what I don’t know about the aviation industry.

Seeing 90 percent of the lines on the 145 with11-12 days off a month with 2 days off between trips doesn't sound appealing for the next few years.

03-15-2022 | 03:59 PM

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It’s for the Beechcraft 400. My main pull would be for the 8/6 schedule and more time at home. I would love to eventually end up at a legacy.

That s not the best path to a legacy.

03-15-2022 | 05:12 PM

#176

uavking

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Would a move to wheelsup for a low time FO be smart?

Nope. If you want to do airline flying, do airline flying.

03-15-2022 | 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by uavking

Nope. If you want to do airline flying, do airline flying.

This is old advice.

I can guarantee more corporate/135 pilots were hired at AA in 2022 than Envoy pilots. Even including the flow.

Corporate/135 tend to get turbine PIC faster as well. I would say go, try to upgrade as fast as possible. You'll beat the flow to AA by years.

03-15-2022 | 08:49 PM

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Just throwing a real life example out there: I was interviewing at F9 recently and among those of us that got a CJO were two young envoy guys with 100 hours in the right seat of the 145. I’d apply at a ULCC and go to a bus rather than a small corporate jet. Just my opinion.

03-15-2022 | 10:44 PM

#179

But seriously

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Originally Posted by povertyeagle

I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s not a fair comparison. Corporate/135 is one entire section of the industry vs Envoy as a single pilot group. Do you think more corporate pilots were hired than RJ drivers?

As to the original question:
The industry changes fast. Work somewhere you can live with longer term in case you get stuck there.

03-16-2022 | 07:30 AM

#180

NotChewbacca

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Originally Posted by normalperson

From what I’ve seen firsthand this is spot on (take it with a grain of salt because I am in fact just one dude). But I’ve had a couple legacy interviews lately and at each interview about 1/4 of my fellow interviewees were ULCC pilots that were either in initial training or recently typed in the 320. Additionally any ULCC is a step up from a regional and long term probably better than most 135/91 jobs.

Envoy is awful in essentially every aspect. But keep your focus…. You got the job at Envoy with the sole purpose of quitting to get a better job.