Envoy 2022: The Flow of Charlie Bucket
03-16-2022 | 08:42 AM
#181
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I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s not a fair comparison. Corporate/135 is one entire section of the industry vs Envoy as a single pilot group. Do you think more corporate pilots were hired than RJ drivers?
As to the original question:
The industry changes fast. Work somewhere you can live with longer term in case you get stuck there.
As to the original question:
The industry changes fast. Work somewhere you can live with longer term in case you get stuck there.
03-16-2022 | 10:18 AM
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This is old advice.
I can guarantee more corporate/135 pilots were hired at AA in 2022 than Envoy pilots. Even including the flow.
Corporate/135 tend to get turbine PIC faster as well. I would say go, try to upgrade as fast as possible. You'll beat the flow to AA by years.
I can guarantee more corporate/135 pilots were hired at AA in 2022 than Envoy pilots. Even including the flow.
Corporate/135 tend to get turbine PIC faster as well. I would say go, try to upgrade as fast as possible. You'll beat the flow to AA by years.
03-16-2022 | 11:38 AM
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03-17-2022 | 05:43 AM
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the best advice I’ve seen so far in this thread - assuming his goal is a legacy - is to go to Spirit, Frontier and even Allegiant right now. You’ll get hired at the legacy far sooner… and if not you’re already at a good place. Once the Spirit Frontier merge is complete I’ll bet their CBA magically becomes very comparable to legacy rates and benefits.
certain ACMI are even very good choices and have lots of guys moving to legacies. Nobody leaves for the LCC’s anymore at the better ACMI’s as they’ve become good careers too.
it’s a great time to be a pilot.
03-17-2022 | 07:16 AM
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1000 TPIC isn’t needed at all anymore to go to a legacy.
the best advice I’ve seen so far in this thread - assuming his goal is a legacy - is to go to Spirit, Frontier and even Allegiant right now. You’ll get hired at the legacy far sooner… and if not you’re already at a good place. Once the Spirit Frontier merge is complete I’ll bet their CBA magically becomes very comparable to legacy rates and benefits.
certain ACMI are even very good choices and have lots of guys moving to legacies. Nobody leaves for the LCC’s anymore at the better ACMI’s as they’ve become good careers too.
it’s a great time to be a pilot.
the best advice I’ve seen so far in this thread - assuming his goal is a legacy - is to go to Spirit, Frontier and even Allegiant right now. You’ll get hired at the legacy far sooner… and if not you’re already at a good place. Once the Spirit Frontier merge is complete I’ll bet their CBA magically becomes very comparable to legacy rates and benefits.
certain ACMI are even very good choices and have lots of guys moving to legacies. Nobody leaves for the LCC’s anymore at the better ACMI’s as they’ve become good careers too.
it’s a great time to be a pilot.
03-17-2022 | 08:10 AM
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There are other options and people need to know what there is.
I know it just tears at your company shill heart strings to think that people may be happier or better off someplace else.
03-17-2022 | 09:14 AM
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I've been off for a month, annoying you is a great way to keep me entertained.
03-17-2022 | 09:42 AM
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So you think everyone should blindly chug the company KoolAid and wait patiently for a flow that might not even be around in eight to ten years.
There are other options and people need to know what there is.
I know it just tears at your company shill heart strings to think that people may be happier or better off someplace else.
There are other options and people need to know what there is.
I know it just tears at your company shill heart strings to think that people may be happier or better off someplace else.
03-17-2022 | 09:44 AM
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