May 2022 LOAs - Good/Bad Discussion
05-22-2022 | 06:43 AM
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All this is even more motivation to get out. I don’t want to see what PBS implementation feels like. Management must be feeling pleasantly surprised how easy this was, and optimistic getting a killer PBS system to realize true efficiencies not far away on the horizon. Perfect timing for when the airline is truly staffed 30% less. Those left behind will be truly miserable. I’m tired of anyone who says PBS can be a good thing and golden days are awesome. The statement is true, but naive to think it will be true at ENY. Negotiating a strong protection in PBS for QOL is just not realistic given past histories. It’s a complicated thing, and I hope we are hiring experts to figure this out. Short of that, we are hosed. If we don’t like the negotiated PBS, can we keep voting that down? Or is this train coming no matter what it looks like?
the LOA specified that at an impass - that is going to happen - it goes to an arbiter.
the arbiter has the language that the intent is to implement, the language that the arbiter will give operational needs consideration.
Does anybody think the company is not going to be short staffed?
This LOA guarantees an imposed PBS system through arbitration.
the subsequent MEC left to deal with this will sell the subsequent PBS LOA as better than what an arbiter will impose
05-22-2022 | 10:09 AM
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05-22-2022 | 12:24 PM
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Have you found anyone on this site more patronizing? It's absurd that someone a decade removed from Envoy thinks that they know the ins and outs of the Envoy contract better than someone here now. Someone who was let go from here by the way and is constantly selling their current employer as a "destination" career. Begs the question. If he thinks it's so rosy over at the "destination," why is he still coming over here and living in this forum? I have the answer but I'm sure you guys can figure it out. Someone who "won the Congressional Medal of Honor during a Vietnam War re-enactment" most likely has a few screws loose anyway.
05-23-2022 | 10:23 AM
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Have you found anyone on this site more patronizing? It's absurd that someone a decade removed from Envoy thinks that they know the ins and outs of the Envoy contract better than someone here now. Someone who was let go from here by the way and is constantly selling their current employer as a "destination" career. Begs the question. If he thinks it's so rosy over at the "destination," why is he still coming over here and living in this forum? I have the answer but I'm sure you guys can figure it out. Someone who "won the Congressional Medal of Honor during a Vietnam War re-enactment" most likely has a few screws loose anyway.
05-23-2022 | 12:35 PM
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Have you found anyone on this site more patronizing? It's absurd that someone a decade removed from Envoy thinks that they know the ins and outs of the Envoy contract better than someone here now. Someone who was let go from here by the way and is constantly selling their current employer as a "destination" career. Begs the question. If he thinks it's so rosy over at the "destination," why is he still coming over here and living in this forum? I have the answer but I'm sure you guys can figure it out. Someone who "won the Congressional Medal of Honor during a Vietnam War re-enactment" most likely has a few screws loose anyway.
05-24-2022 | 04:30 AM
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you said it was from the ALPA national policy manual.
that is not the Envoy MEC by-laws
its two different things
it’s a pretty big deal changing the by-laws. Not saying they couldn’t have, but changing that language would be one of the worst malfeasance acts upon the pilot group ever.
that is not the Envoy MEC by-laws
its two different things
it’s a pretty big deal changing the by-laws. Not saying they couldn’t have, but changing that language would be one of the worst malfeasance acts upon the pilot group ever.
05-24-2022 | 04:37 AM
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Have you found anyone on this site more patronizing? It's absurd that someone a decade removed from Envoy thinks that they know the ins and outs of the Envoy contract better than someone here now. Someone who was let go from here by the way and is constantly selling their current employer as a "destination" career. Begs the question. If he thinks it's so rosy over at the "destination," why is he still coming over here and living in this forum? I have the answer but I'm sure you guys can figure it out. Someone who "won the Congressional Medal of Honor during a Vietnam War re-enactment" most likely has a few screws loose anyway.
The false valor guy was DaCuj on a different website, which tells me you can’t keep your facts straight now any better than you could 6 years ago when I was still there (not a decade) and it’s very common for former MEC members to stay in contact to clarify old language and intent…. Most are just more quiet about it, mostly because most of them still work for AAG just flying bigger planes and are afraid of you vindictive management stooges that can’t separate union activity from business. Jim Winkley was the last class act EagleVoy had. He and I fought all the time, but we were friends. Work and duties weren’t personal. That’s what wrong with you fools. You take it personally and are vindictive pricks.
05-24-2022 | 04:38 AM
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