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05-25-2022 | 03:53 AM

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So besides PBS, what actually ended up going through here?

05-25-2022 | 05:05 AM

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So besides PBS, what actually ended up going through here?

1 extra day off (most people on reserve were getting it as a transition conflict anyway)

Various industry standard rigs, 100% DH pay

05-25-2022 | 06:13 AM

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So besides PBS, what actually ended up going through here?

F/O’s get CPT Pay at 750 hrs

05-25-2022 | 07:57 AM

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So besides PBS, what actually ended up going through here?

Extra kicker for those that either flow or otherwise hired at AA is payout of sick time.

Halloween and Independence Day also premium days.

05-25-2022 | 01:34 PM

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F/O’s get CPT Pay at 750 hrs

750 hrs with Envoy or 750 hrs 121 time?

05-25-2022 | 07:40 PM

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750 hrs with Envoy or 750 hrs 121 time?

Any pilot who has flown 750 or more Captain qualifying hours (i.e., applicable Part 121.436 flight time for PIC qualification).

05-26-2022 | 04:19 AM

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With CA pay starting at 750 hours, does this mean that they're about to start going hard on the forced upgrades as well?

05-26-2022 | 04:40 AM

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With CA pay starting at 750 hours, does this mean that they're about to start going hard on the forced upgrades as well?

they run a vacancy bid every 3-4 months i believe, id say it also takes that much time to go from 750 to 950 hrs.

05-26-2022 | 07:19 AM

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With CA pay starting at 750 hours, does this mean that they're about to start going hard on the forced upgrades as well?

I don’t think the forced upgrades was what this is about. This is was just a temporary fix to increase FO pay to encourage them to stay a little longer and not jump to a LCC/ULLC. Obviously not going to do anything if Delta or United calls.

That being said, yes, Forced upgrades are coming. I think the only reason the company chose NOT to do it on the last bid is they got nearly as many as they wanted AND leaving a few vacancies meant they could offer the standing vacancy, which is basically what gives the ability to offer direct entry Captain positions.

Whether there will be any 145 captain vacancies either published or back filled on the next bid is the big question.

05-26-2022 | 07:23 AM

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they run a vacancy bid every 3-4 months i believe, id say it also takes that much time to go from 750 to 950 hrs.

Aside from Covid, for quite a few years, bids have consistently been every three months at the end of every quarter and run the beginning of the next quarter.