Flow?? Flow is a joke at any airline. A pyramid scheme at best. I hope we get zero flow at PSA. I certainly wouldn't give anything up for it. It's meaningless, non-tangible, and at best a floating target. I would rather bet my career on something more meaningful like being Captain very quickly instead of sitting around at Envoy as an 8 year FO, 4 of which are on reserve in some bases.

Good Luck!

 

Yep current FOs have gotten hosed no doubt. If we had voted yes in the beginning, we'd be at a less than 2 year upgrade right now. PSA didn't have anything stellar until they voted yes. Math is math though and those times will drop rapidly soon.

As far as flow being meaningless, I can understand it to someone like you. Faced with 20 years to flow, you are banking on getting hired through the front door. A flow makes it harder for someone like you to do that. Your motivations are obviously self serving, but then, you are a PSA troll after all!

Tell the 481 pilots, or 62% of all new hires at AA in the last two years, that flow is worthless

 

So says the guy with a 20 year wait for an interview, and 9,000 other qualified applicants all with PIC time all applying to be street hires.... meanwhile, AA is currently taking 62% from Envoy, plus a few from PDT and PSA and with recalls they are not hiring one single street hire.... so what is that PIC time worth right now for applying at AA?

As the shortage worsens, and the mainlines struggle to keep their wholly owned regionals staffed; how do you see them doing that? You guys can keep your great PIC time, it may help at United; but both Delta and AA clearly have the handwriting on the wall for where it's headed.

6 years street to AA. Best commuter policies in the industry currently, and upgrades that are created by flow and won't be based upon growth that eventually can't be staffed anyway.

It's a good time to be a pilot, and an even better time to be an Envoy pilot

 

Cujo665 you know its not going to be a 20 yr wait to go to AA through PSA just like we know its not going to be a 2.5 year upgrade (you said it yourself its going to be more than 3.5 yrs) at Envoy so stop with the obvioulsy hyprocritical posts. You know PSA is going to get a flow and its not going to be 20 yrs, you also know that Envoy will not always get 50% of the AA new hire spots forever as the percentage decreases over time. Stop posting half truths.

You know in a few years the only way to AA will be through the wholly owned carriers and every path will be about 4-6 years.

You also know that Envoy needs to start getting a lot more new hires per month for the math to work out, 10 new guys a month does not replace attrition and bring upgrades down.

XJT has the best commuter policies in the regional industry even without giving out hotels, not Envoy.

 

I thought once you are at PSA the only way to AA is via the guaranteed interview, ~20 years from DOH. I don't think they can even apply through the front door.

So they automatically cross one of their options off

 

Are you white? Male? Middle class? Are you married to the (American, United, Delta) chief pilots daughter? Are you currently a captain? Do you have more than 10K total time with 5K turbine PIC? Did you serve in the military? Did you fly in the military? Did you fly fighters or go to test pilot school? Are your squadron buddies writing 5, 6, even 7 letters of recommendation for you? Are you an astronaut? Do you have an MBA? A degree in something other than aviation? Do you have a charity or foundation you spend 20 hours a week working at?

I think I know the answer to most of these questions. You probably have a restricted ATP, are waiting for IOE, and have a Riddle sticker on your brand new kit bag.

Now to help you understand how ignorant you are. Go to Costco today and buy 5 large boxes of paper. Each box contains 10 reams, each ream has 200 sheets. No go home and open all 50 reams of paper, dump all 10,000 sheets on your floor. In this stack of 10,000 sheets take one and write your name on it. This one sheet represents you among the 10,000 applicants at the legacy carriers.

Now put your piece of paper at the bottom of the stack. This is where the legacy hiring departments view you right now. Now crinkle your piece of paper up to represent the prick attitude you have and the fact you work at PSA.

Hang in there though, in 20 years you will be lucky enough to have American look at your crinkled piece of paper. But when the hiring board puts two and two together and realize what an a$$ you are, they will put your crinkled piece of paper right back to the bottom of the pile. Enjoy being a captain of an RJ. It will be the highlight of your career.

 

^ yeah man


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Awesome.

His lack of experience in this industry is pretty obvious.

 

That was well thought out. I like


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One of the best posts I've read in a long time lol