so back to my question that has been ignored twice now.....you guys are saying that envoy can flow itself out of existence?

 

Yeah, its all gumdrops and lollipops!

Good Luck!

 

If FO's are able to flow without upgrading, which many have told me will, then time to upgrade at Envoy should fall dramatically. Why upgrade if you have a great schedule and you are just going to end up at AA anyway?

 

Do you think every regional is going to survive the industry contraction taking place? What we are saying is we can grow, we can shrink, we can shrink right to ourt minimum 40 jets and we all still flow to AA in under 6 years. While technically we could vanish, it won't happen. That type of movement will guarantee a steady supply of pilots.

Staffing is the new currency, not cheap labor. It's rapidly becoming not who can do the flying cheapest; but simply who can actually do the flying.

Smart ones will get in at the front of the pack. It's a good time to be an Envoy pilot. Places like Mesa, TSA and other non owneds will eventually become staffing fodder for the wholly owneds.

 

Does the new contract even guarantee that new hires are eligible for flow through? Isn't that only for the 824 and another group (whose name I forget)?

I find the contract literature a little confusing, not sure who is guaranteed flow through.

 

This is correct. Only the 824 need to have held CA. We're about 350 through the 824, then the protected pilots start and nobody from then on has to have held CA at all.

 

It's detailed but a quick overview would be that every pilot on Envoy property and every Envoy new hire has flow rights. These are not interviews, there is no medical. When your number is up you fill out your paperwork and go to class.

Protected Pilots(1) will get 50% (timed to coincide with delivery schedules), Protected Pilots(2) will get 35%. New hires get 25% of every class, which increases with our size.

There are about 300 that will not flow. There are about 400 in the 35% band. As the band percentage gets smaller, the number of AA retirements gets larger.

Essentially, they're saying our whole list flows street to AA in six years.

Currently, AAG is sending 62% from Envoy which is significantly more than required. They said they'd send more when they could; and they are.

We're currently sending a higher percentage than required each month, so I'd like to know how many more interviews per month is PSA getting above what's required?

 

With a one year seat lock, many will likely bypass a captain upgrade to enjoy good schedules as a senior FO and then flow.

 

Thanks! That was very helpful

 

The writing is on the wall. If you can muster 6 years in the regionals (which is nothing, trust me) and your goal is to be at a legacy, then envoy is the place to go with PDT being a close second. I wouldn't even be considering anywhere else.