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06-10-2015, 07:11 PM
#891
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Posts: 894
Originally Posted by eaglefly
No, a lot of anger and rage there. Sounds like Envoy is very F'ed up place for pilots right now. I wouldn't worry too much if you're PSA. Soon, the flow there will not require an interview like Envoy and Piedmont, so he'll have to accept just trying to screw pilots he hates out of the jumpseat with Cujo which is tough to do as an F/O.
Don't hate, just have pity.
Don't hate, just have pity.
Last edited by RyanP; 06-10-2015 at 07:55 PM.
06-10-2015, 07:15 PM
#892
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 894
Originally Posted by DOGIII
I just want to make sure I am comprehending what you are saying here...
Your goal is to join the hiring department of AA and help support the recruiting effort for a company, whose CEO facilitated this entire ordeal of regional vs. regional strife , in-order to inact a personal vendetta and perpetuate the hostility that was initiated by said CEO's actions in the first place?
Are you kidding me?
Your goal is to join the hiring department of AA and help support the recruiting effort for a company, whose CEO facilitated this entire ordeal of regional vs. regional strife , in-order to inact a personal vendetta and perpetuate the hostility that was initiated by said CEO's actions in the first place?
Are you kidding me?
06-10-2015, 09:57 PM
#893
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 610
I am saying the 6 year number must come from 2 reasons.
1 the industry can support that type of movement.
2 its in your contract
The first reason applies to all regionals. The second is a fairytale. The eagle contract has changed 3 times in 5 years or less, plus if envoy grows that would increase the flow time for a new hire. Do you think number 3500 would flow as fast as a new hire as number 2100?
Bottom line, any new hire today at any regional has the same chance to be at mainline in 6 years. So Envoy doesn't have anything special.
1 the industry can support that type of movement.
2 its in your contract
The first reason applies to all regionals. The second is a fairytale. The eagle contract has changed 3 times in 5 years or less, plus if envoy grows that would increase the flow time for a new hire. Do you think number 3500 would flow as fast as a new hire as number 2100?
Bottom line, any new hire today at any regional has the same chance to be at mainline in 6 years. So Envoy doesn't have anything special.
06-10-2015, 10:08 PM
#894
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 787
Originally Posted by Waitingformins
I am saying the 6 year number must come from 2 reasons.
1 the industry can support that type of movement.
2 its in your contract
The first reason applies to all regionals. The second is a fairytale. The eagle contract has changed 3 times in 5 years or less, plus if envoy grows that would increase the flow time for a new hire. Do you think number 3500 would flow as fast as a new hire as number 2100?
Bottom line, any new hire today at any regional has the same chance to be at mainline in 6 years. So Envoy doesn't have anything special.
1 the industry can support that type of movement.
2 its in your contract
The first reason applies to all regionals. The second is a fairytale. The eagle contract has changed 3 times in 5 years or less, plus if envoy grows that would increase the flow time for a new hire. Do you think number 3500 would flow as fast as a new hire as number 2100?
Bottom line, any new hire today at any regional has the same chance to be at mainline in 6 years. So Envoy doesn't have anything special.
Try your best to keep up:
The 6 year flow for Envoy has NOTHING to do with "industry movement" as you call it. It has to do with the following:
#1: AA's retirement numbers year by year
and
#2: Envoy's flow agreement which gives us 50% of new hire classes.
No other Regional has an agreement with mainline like that and no other Regional can guarantee any kind of upward movement. No other Regional other than Envoy. If you were not so slow I would tell you to take a calculator and punch the numbers in yourself. But even that is probably too difficult for you.
So a new hire at any Regional has the same chance to get to mainline as an Envoy new hire? Please, by all means explain to the class how that would work. Explain to all of us how a new hire at Mesa, Republic, SkyWest, or anywhere else can move up to mainline in 6 years. Provide concrete numbers, evidence, and contractual guarantees where applicable.
You can't because they don't exist. AA hires very few off the street these days and they are almost 100% military and/or family. Everyone else comes from the flow via the wholly owned. That means for all of you Regional pilots flying for independent contractors your options are Delta and United. Now imagine EVERY SINGLE REGIONAL PILOT in existence applying to 2 airlines.....don't forget EVERY SINGLE LCC pilot as well....oh, did I mention that they also have Airbus type ratings? Still think any new hire at any Regional can move up in 6 years with no flow?
You are a fool and deserve to rot in perpetual limbo at the worst, lowest bottom feeding Regional in existence. By all means, enjoy your career as an RJ Captain while the rest of us move up to AA. Thanks for playing.
06-10-2015, 10:19 PM
#895
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 439
Originally Posted by Skyvector
I'm tired from a full day of flying and my patience level is at ZERO right now. So I'm not even going to beat around the bush: You are an idiot. Normally I would try to be more diplomatic...but you are drool cup, short bus stupid.
Try your best to keep up:
The 6 year flow for Envoy has NOTHING to do with "industry movement" as you call it. It has to do with the following:
#1: AA's retirement numbers year by year
and
#2: Envoy's flow agreement which gives us 50% of new hire classes.
No other Regional has an agreement with mainline like that and no other Regional can guarantee any kind of upward movement. No other Regional other than Envoy. If you were not so slow I would tell you to take a calculator and punch the numbers in yourself. But even that is probably too difficult for you.
So a new hire at any Regional has the same chance to get to mainline as an Envoy new hire? Please, by all means explain to the class how that would work. Explain to all of us how a new hire at Mesa, Republic, SkyWest, or anywhere else can move up to mainline in 6 years. Provide concrete numbers, evidence, and contractual guarantees where applicable.
You can't because they don't exist. AA hires very few off the street these days and they are almost 100% military and/or family. Everyone else comes from the flow via the wholly owned. That means for all of you Regional pilots flying for independent contractors your options are Delta and United. Now imagine EVERY SINGLE REGIONAL PILOT in existence applying to 2 airlines.....don't forget EVERY SINGLE LCC pilot as well....oh, did I mention that they also have Airbus type ratings? Still think any new hire at any Regional can move up in 6 years with no flow?
You are a fool and deserve to rot in perpetual limbo at the worst, lowest bottom feeding Regional in existence. By all means, enjoy your career as an RJ Captain while the rest of us move up to AA. Thanks for playing.
Try your best to keep up:
The 6 year flow for Envoy has NOTHING to do with "industry movement" as you call it. It has to do with the following:
#1: AA's retirement numbers year by year
and
#2: Envoy's flow agreement which gives us 50% of new hire classes.
No other Regional has an agreement with mainline like that and no other Regional can guarantee any kind of upward movement. No other Regional other than Envoy. If you were not so slow I would tell you to take a calculator and punch the numbers in yourself. But even that is probably too difficult for you.
So a new hire at any Regional has the same chance to get to mainline as an Envoy new hire? Please, by all means explain to the class how that would work. Explain to all of us how a new hire at Mesa, Republic, SkyWest, or anywhere else can move up to mainline in 6 years. Provide concrete numbers, evidence, and contractual guarantees where applicable.
You can't because they don't exist. AA hires very few off the street these days and they are almost 100% military and/or family. Everyone else comes from the flow via the wholly owned. That means for all of you Regional pilots flying for independent contractors your options are Delta and United. Now imagine EVERY SINGLE REGIONAL PILOT in existence applying to 2 airlines.....don't forget EVERY SINGLE LCC pilot as well....oh, did I mention that they also have Airbus type ratings? Still think any new hire at any Regional can move up in 6 years with no flow?
You are a fool and deserve to rot in perpetual limbo at the worst, lowest bottom feeding Regional in existence. By all means, enjoy your career as an RJ Captain while the rest of us move up to AA. Thanks for playing.
LOL, couldn't have said it better myself. I've also had an extremely long day of flying and just got to the hotel. I started reading his post and the only thing I could think of was damn, this guy is a special kind of idiot. Good explanation though, he probably still doesn't get it. Ok, off to bed.
06-10-2015, 10:35 PM
#896
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 610
Originally Posted by Skyvector
I'm tired from a full day of flying and my patience level is at ZERO right now. So I'm not even going to beat around the bush: You are an idiot. Normally I would try to be more diplomatic...but you are drool cup, short bus stupid.
Try your best to keep up:
The 6 year flow for Envoy has NOTHING to do with "industry movement" as you call it. It has to do with the following:
#1: AA's retirement numbers year by year
and
#2: Envoy's flow agreement which gives us 50% of new hire classes.
No other Regional has an agreement with mainline like that and no other Regional can guarantee any kind of upward movement. No other Regional other than Envoy. If you were not so slow I would tell you to take a calculator and punch the numbers in yourself. But even that is probably too difficult for you.
So a new hire at any Regional has the same chance to get to mainline as an Envoy new hire? Please, by all means explain to the class how that would work. Explain to all of us how a new hire at Mesa, Republic, SkyWest, or anywhere else can move up to mainline in 6 years. Provide concrete numbers, evidence, and contractual guarantees where applicable.
You can't because they don't exist. AA hires very few off the street these days and they are almost 100% military and/or family. Everyone else comes from the flow via the wholly owned. That means for all of you Regional pilots flying for independent contractors your options are Delta and United. Now imagine EVERY SINGLE REGIONAL PILOT in existence applying to 2 airlines.....don't forget EVERY SINGLE LCC pilot as well....oh, did I mention that they also have Airbus type ratings? Still think any new hire at any Regional can move up in 6 years with no flow?
You are a fool and deserve to rot in perpetual limbo at the worst, lowest bottom feeding Regional in existence. By all means, enjoy your career as an RJ Captain while the rest of us move up to AA. Thanks for playing.
Try your best to keep up:
The 6 year flow for Envoy has NOTHING to do with "industry movement" as you call it. It has to do with the following:
#1: AA's retirement numbers year by year
and
#2: Envoy's flow agreement which gives us 50% of new hire classes.
No other Regional has an agreement with mainline like that and no other Regional can guarantee any kind of upward movement. No other Regional other than Envoy. If you were not so slow I would tell you to take a calculator and punch the numbers in yourself. But even that is probably too difficult for you.
So a new hire at any Regional has the same chance to get to mainline as an Envoy new hire? Please, by all means explain to the class how that would work. Explain to all of us how a new hire at Mesa, Republic, SkyWest, or anywhere else can move up to mainline in 6 years. Provide concrete numbers, evidence, and contractual guarantees where applicable.
You can't because they don't exist. AA hires very few off the street these days and they are almost 100% military and/or family. Everyone else comes from the flow via the wholly owned. That means for all of you Regional pilots flying for independent contractors your options are Delta and United. Now imagine EVERY SINGLE REGIONAL PILOT in existence applying to 2 airlines.....don't forget EVERY SINGLE LCC pilot as well....oh, did I mention that they also have Airbus type ratings? Still think any new hire at any Regional can move up in 6 years with no flow?
You are a fool and deserve to rot in perpetual limbo at the worst, lowest bottom feeding Regional in existence. By all means, enjoy your career as an RJ Captain while the rest of us move up to AA. Thanks for playing.
06-11-2015, 04:04 AM
#897
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by Waitingformins
Well jack how come 10,000 regional fos aren't lined up out the door and around the corner for such a guarantee.
That's an easy one, because Envoy is downsizing and no matter how much the pilots here lie about it, there is no getting around the need for 121 PIC time acquisition.
Downgrades and furloughs will follow soon enough.
06-11-2015, 05:46 AM
#898
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by sublime259
It's unfortunate that this forum would actually be beneficial to many, if it wasn't cluttered with the troll posts of first class, RJ, and eaglyfly. Pathetic really.
It would also be a wonderful forum if one could B.S. others for personal gain without a dissenting opinion.
Oh well.
06-11-2015, 05:52 AM
#899
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 439
Originally Posted by eaglefly
Yes, wouldn't it be wonderful world if one could control everyone else ?
It would also be a wonderful forum if one could B.S. others for personal gain without a dissenting opinion.
Oh well.
It would also be a wonderful forum if one could B.S. others for personal gain without a dissenting opinion.
Oh well.
06-11-2015, 06:14 AM
#900
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Errplanes
Posts: 367
Originally Posted by FirstClass
Good morning everyone.
That's an easy one, because Envoy is downsizing and no matter how much the pilots here lie about it, there is no getting around the need for 121 PIC time acquisition.
Downgrades and furloughs will follow soon enough.
That's an easy one, because Envoy is downsizing and no matter how much the pilots here lie about it, there is no getting around the need for 121 PIC time acquisition.
Downgrades and furloughs will follow soon enough.
Downgrades and furloughs? Wrong again. Go away already!
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