Envoy's future
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From: GV Captain
Here, something of substance:
July 14, 2014
Message from MEC Chairman and Pilot Unity Building Events
Fellow Envoy Pilots:
Last week I outlined our efforts toward working on solutions to our current need to re-fleet. Those efforts include informal discussions with company executives to identify areas of mutual interest and concepts that benefit our pilot group while providing the structure necessary to allow Envoy to grow and prosper. Whereas our discussions continue, we have yet to reach a point of negotiating changes to our collective bargaining agreement.
These efforts could potentially yield an agreement at some point in the future. In the event we begin to approach this point, we will be looking to you for input. It’s critical that you stay engaged and informed. Please be sure to keep looking for our communications as well as maintaining contact with your local reps and P2P volunteers.
In an effort to expand our communication efforts and provide opportunities for you to interact with your leadership, we will be hosting pilot unity building (PUB) events in each council during the last two weeks of July.
The tentative schedule:
· July 24 -- NYC
· July 27 -- DFW
· July 28 -- Training Department
· July 29 -- MIA
· July 30 -- ORD
Please stay tuned as details on times/locations will be distributed as soon as finalized.
Fly Safe.
Bill Sprague
MEC Chairman
July 14, 2014
Message from MEC Chairman and Pilot Unity Building Events
Fellow Envoy Pilots:
Last week I outlined our efforts toward working on solutions to our current need to re-fleet. Those efforts include informal discussions with company executives to identify areas of mutual interest and concepts that benefit our pilot group while providing the structure necessary to allow Envoy to grow and prosper. Whereas our discussions continue, we have yet to reach a point of negotiating changes to our collective bargaining agreement.
These efforts could potentially yield an agreement at some point in the future. In the event we begin to approach this point, we will be looking to you for input. It’s critical that you stay engaged and informed. Please be sure to keep looking for our communications as well as maintaining contact with your local reps and P2P volunteers.
In an effort to expand our communication efforts and provide opportunities for you to interact with your leadership, we will be hosting pilot unity building (PUB) events in each council during the last two weeks of July.
The tentative schedule:
· July 24 -- NYC
· July 27 -- DFW
· July 28 -- Training Department
· July 29 -- MIA
· July 30 -- ORD
Please stay tuned as details on times/locations will be distributed as soon as finalized.
Fly Safe.
Bill Sprague
MEC Chairman
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Feel free to go vigorously F yourself.
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Bzzt, I think you need a reality check on LIFE. You are going to be miserable to the last day of your life if you somehow feel that you will find that Nirvana of 4 days off from work a week and good money to go with that. I'm sure you know that most "rich" people like Bill Gates, for example (but any wealthy person will do - short of a child born with a spoon in their mouth, like Paris Hilton) work hard, with few days off in their lives. They are often the first in the office, and the last to leave. They often have NO life outside their responsibilities.
On the other hand, those with MAX days off, as you put it, typically are part time workers at some dead end McDonald's type of job. Yes, they can get the time off if they want it, but they typically have no money to enjoy their days off, and live with their parents or in some crap apartment in a not-so-nice part of town.
You, for whatever reason, have unrealistic expectations of how your life should turn out. If you don't come to your senses and realize that you are dreaming with regard to your expectations, you will die a miserable life.
By the way, your comment about internet personas is bull****. Almost everyone I know is active online, and they range from their teens to their seventies. The personas they project online are essentially identical to who they are in "real life". Your back-tracking comment about somehow NOT being the person you portray yourself to be online I see as total bull****. The person we see online is EXACTLY you. You are self absorbed and whiny. You must be GREAT fun to be around on a daily basis.
Either get out of this business and find something else to do, or shut the **** up with your whining and look forward to a life ahead that most people on this planet can only dream of. You are in a good position at a very young age to have a good, rewarding career by the time you retire. If you can't see that, then you have some seriously messed up expectations in life, and you will end up being just a miserable old man who never quite lived up to his unrealistic goals in life.
Snap out of it, man!
On the other hand, those with MAX days off, as you put it, typically are part time workers at some dead end McDonald's type of job. Yes, they can get the time off if they want it, but they typically have no money to enjoy their days off, and live with their parents or in some crap apartment in a not-so-nice part of town.
You, for whatever reason, have unrealistic expectations of how your life should turn out. If you don't come to your senses and realize that you are dreaming with regard to your expectations, you will die a miserable life.
By the way, your comment about internet personas is bull****. Almost everyone I know is active online, and they range from their teens to their seventies. The personas they project online are essentially identical to who they are in "real life". Your back-tracking comment about somehow NOT being the person you portray yourself to be online I see as total bull****. The person we see online is EXACTLY you. You are self absorbed and whiny. You must be GREAT fun to be around on a daily basis.
Either get out of this business and find something else to do, or shut the **** up with your whining and look forward to a life ahead that most people on this planet can only dream of. You are in a good position at a very young age to have a good, rewarding career by the time you retire. If you can't see that, then you have some seriously messed up expectations in life, and you will end up being just a miserable old man who never quite lived up to his unrealistic goals in life.
Snap out of it, man!
#2315
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Bzzt, I think you need a reality check on LIFE. You are going to be miserable to the last day of your life if you somehow feel that you will find that Nirvana of 4 days off from work a week and good money to go with that. I'm sure you know that most "rich" people like Bill Gates, for example (but any wealthy person will do - short of a child born with a spoon in their mouth, like Paris Hilton) work hard, with few days off in their lives. They are often the first in the office, and the last to leave. They often have NO life outside their responsibilities.
On the other hand, those with MAX days off, as you put it, typically are part time workers at some dead end McDonald's type of job. Yes, they can get the time off if they want it, but they typically have no money to enjoy their days off, and live with their parents or in some crap apartment in a not-so-nice part of town.
You, for whatever reason, have unrealistic expectations of how your life should turn out. If you don't come to your senses and realize that you are dreaming with regard to your expectations, you will die a miserable life.
By the way, your comment about internet personas is bull****. Almost everyone I know is active online, and they range from their teens to their seventies. The personas they project online are essentially identical to who they are in "real life". Your back-tracking comment about somehow NOT being the person you portray yourself to be online I see as total bull****. The person we see online is EXACTLY you. You are self absorbed and whiny. You must be GREAT fun to be around on a daily basis.
Either get out of this business and find something else to do, or shut the **** up with your whining and look forward to a life ahead that most people on this planet can only dream of. You are in a good position at a very young age to have a good, rewarding career by the time you retire. If you can't see that, then you have some seriously messed up expectations in life, and you will end up being just a miserable old man who never quite lived up to his unrealistic goals in life.
Snap out of it, man!
On the other hand, those with MAX days off, as you put it, typically are part time workers at some dead end McDonald's type of job. Yes, they can get the time off if they want it, but they typically have no money to enjoy their days off, and live with their parents or in some crap apartment in a not-so-nice part of town.
You, for whatever reason, have unrealistic expectations of how your life should turn out. If you don't come to your senses and realize that you are dreaming with regard to your expectations, you will die a miserable life.
By the way, your comment about internet personas is bull****. Almost everyone I know is active online, and they range from their teens to their seventies. The personas they project online are essentially identical to who they are in "real life". Your back-tracking comment about somehow NOT being the person you portray yourself to be online I see as total bull****. The person we see online is EXACTLY you. You are self absorbed and whiny. You must be GREAT fun to be around on a daily basis.
Either get out of this business and find something else to do, or shut the **** up with your whining and look forward to a life ahead that most people on this planet can only dream of. You are in a good position at a very young age to have a good, rewarding career by the time you retire. If you can't see that, then you have some seriously messed up expectations in life, and you will end up being just a miserable old man who never quite lived up to his unrealistic goals in life.
Snap out of it, man!
#2316
The bottom line is that you were negligent and ignorant when you made this career choice. Now you are incessantly whining about the repercussions. Tough s hit. You did it to yourself. Grow up, deal with it, and if you wish to discuss it on this forum any further...
MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN THREAD
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I have traveled all over this globe, and have seen first hand over and over again how MOST people in this world live. The vast majority of humans on this planet live in poverty. They are born poor, have almost no education, toil their lives away six to seven days a week for almost their entire lives, and struggle to simply maintain their meager lives until the day they die. They have almost ZERO opportunity to make anything out of their lives, and yet it is what is to them. It's their life. They know nothing else.
The lives those of us fortunate enough to have been born in a first world country enjoy are almost beyond comprehension to most people on this planet.
So, I stand by what I say. Most people can only dream of the life you can have if you stick this out. In fact, most people in THIS country (the majority are NOT college educated and work long hours at jobs they almost certainly loath, yet have no choice, because it keeps them from living in abstract poverty under a bridge somewhere) would LOVE to have the job you have, and would love to look forward to where your job is headed.
But you don't, and your youthful naivete betrays the fact that you have no idea that most people in this world would LOVE to be in you shoes.
Yes, to the average First World, educated young person, the regional industry has NOTHING to offer, when one considers the price of entry and the short term return on investment. Long term, this job (and it IS a job, something almost everyone on this planet needs to survive) has a lot to offer going forward, especially for someone your age - as long as that person is willing to hang up his or her absolutely unrealistic expectations.
We get it. You are unhappy with the turn your life has taken. Do yourself a favor then, and find something else. Get OUT of this business.
I suspect, however, that you will continue to be an unhappy man for the rest of your life however. I don't think you will ever find that Nirvana you are looking for.
#2318
There, I made the thread for you all. Now either continue this drivel over there or shut the F up.
#2319
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Can you the stop fee doing the trolls. We have two here and they are not even that good.
#2320
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I'll tell you what. If the company doesn't give your guys a proposal to work with soon; then I'd say they're stalling for some other reason.
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