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Mason32 04-20-2014 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1626890)
A merger isn't necessarily a good thing for everyone on the seniority list, I'm not so sure that is a "good" outcome.

It's what happens after the regional consolidation that is the good part.

Bzzt 04-20-2014 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1626907)
It's what happens after the regional consolidation that is the good part.

We will see, it's going to be an interesting decade. I'm going to follow it even though I'll probably be out of the industry, definitely curious to see how it plays out.

samballs 04-20-2014 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1626917)
We will see, it's going to be an interesting decade. I'm going to follow it even though I'll probably be out of the industry, definitely curious to see how it plays out.

Holy crap. Every post you remind us how you will be gone in three years. Well good we all voted no to better our future. You voted yes to better yours. Just leave now. If you know you won't be here in three years why stick around, get ahead early and leave now to do your other great capabilities.

snippercr 04-20-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1626928)
Holy crap. Every post you remind us how you will be gone in three years. Well good we all voted no to better our future. You voted yes to better yours. Just leave now. If you know you won't be here in three years why stick around, get ahead early and leave now to do your other great capabilities.

Remember when he thought he was going to compass? Every post ended with "...but I'll be at compass soon."

samballs 04-20-2014 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1626934)
Remember when he thought he was going to compass? Every post ended with "...but I'll be at compass soon."

He's one of those guys that pretends to be to good to be a pilot, then you see him 20 years later saying as soon as my business takes off I'm out of here. Only to find out he is part of some crappy pyramid scheme started at a local bar.

Paid2fly 04-20-2014 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1626936)
He's one of those guys that pretends to be to good to be a pilot, then you see him 20 years later saying as soon as my business takes off I'm out of here. Only to find out he is part of some crappy pyramid scheme started at a local bar.







You mean like "stack the empty shot glasses"?

Bzzt 04-20-2014 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by samballs (Post 1626936)
He's one of those guys that pretends to be to good to be a pilot, then you see him 20 years later saying as soon as my business takes off I'm out of here. Only to find out he is part of some crappy pyramid scheme started at a local bar.

I don't think anyone is too good to do anything. I just know that a full career as a regional pilot wouldn't be fulfilling and therefore I won't do it. It's amazing the assumptions that get made on the good ole internet.

CaptainNameless 04-20-2014 02:05 PM

So if Envoy/Eagle is streamlined and becomes the guaranteed (and only) front door to AA, how do military types see that as a viable option? Wouldn't there still have to be a way for those types to jump the line?

And how do XJT/SKYW/RAH... any independent, non-mainline owned regional convince ANY new pilots to go work there? How do they keep anyone below 5 years seniority from leaving to a regional with a route straight to American? I can see above that seniority staying put especially if close to upgrade. But having too few new FOs seems like a better problem to solve than having none.

If AA makes this move the other regionals/majors will have to do something to keep their planes flying, no?

Bzzt 04-20-2014 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainNameless (Post 1627034)
So if Envoy/Eagle is streamlined and becomes the guaranteed (and only) front door to AA, how do military types see that as a viable option? Wouldn't there still have to be a way for those types to jump the line?

And how do XJT/SKYW/RAH... any independent, non-mainline owned regional convince ANY new pilots to go work there? How do they keep anyone below 5 years seniority from leaving to a regional with a route straight to American? I can see above that seniority staying put especially if close to upgrade. But having too few new FOs seems like a better problem to solve than having none.

If AA makes this move the other regionals/majors will have to do something to keep their planes flying, no?

Delta has Endeavor so that would be their solution I assume. Not sure what United would do, but I think this whole theory is far fetched.

amcnd 04-20-2014 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainNameless (Post 1627034)
So if Envoy/Eagle is streamlined and becomes the guaranteed (and only) front door to AA, how do military types see that as a viable option? Wouldn't there still have to be a way for those types to jump the line?

And how do XJT/SKYW/RAH... any independent, non-mainline owned regional convince ANY new pilots to go work there? How do they keep anyone below 5 years seniority from leaving to a regional with a route straight to American? I can see above that seniority staying put especially if close to upgrade. But having too few new FOs seems like a better problem to solve than having none.

If AA makes this move the other regionals/majors will have to do something to keep their planes flying, no?


Delta has Endevor. Don't see people flocking there..the Eagle "flow" has been a ponzi shceme from the beginning.. If i had stayed at Eagle i would be 13 years after my projected flow date... I think we are about to see a "shake up" with AA regionals.. The next 5 years will be laid out soon as Mason32 has said...


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