The useful Envoy thread
10-24-2014, 10:32 AM
#892
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Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy
Are you guys seriously repeating stuff a company plant and Team Tony pulled out of their ass that has no proof or merit to it? You are as bad as Billyho and his unicorn "Big Announcement Friday" predictions.
Want to know whats going on? Call your rep and ask.
They will tell you that no negotiations are going on.
Want to know whats going on? Call your rep and ask.
They will tell you that no negotiations are going on.
I'm positive talks are occurring whether you want to believe it or not. That's not to say anything will come to fruition.
10-24-2014, 11:11 AM
#893
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Originally Posted by SkylineAviation
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I'm positive talks are occurring whether you want to believe it or not. \
I'm positive talks are occurring whether you want to believe it or not. \
Chairman’s Message
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
This is Sam Pool, your newly elected MEC Chairman. I was hoping to write an email introducing myself, my history of ALPA involvement, and a brief overview of where I stand on matters important to the ENY pilot group, but instead I find myself in the unique position of transmitting the following news without fanfare.
Yesterday, as part of my new duties, I introduced myself to company representatives as the chairman and a dialogue regarding the future of Envoy ensued. Everyone present agreed that the working men and women of Envoy would be well served if we re-engaged in negotiations with the stated purpose of finding an economic model more in line with AAG’s vision, while also providing the stability, growth and career progression that ENY pilots have earned.
In the very near future the company intends to present us with a written proposal outlining what changes to our CBA they believe are necessary to achieve their desired economics while maintaining the benefits of a wholly owned operation. ALPA has a defined process for these types of negotiations, and it is my intention that the MEC and Negotiating Committee follow these processes to conclusion.
It's important for you to be patient while the MEC with the advice and input of the Negotiating Committee and ALPA staff, reviews, analyzes and digests the offer and determines how best to respond. Now is not the time for rumors and speculation. Details will be released at the appropriate time.
Meanwhile, it is equally important that you engage your LEC representatives to provide your perspective on the path forward. Your voice will provide guidance to myself, the Status Reps and the Negotiating Committee.
Make no mistake, the path forward will not be without challenges and the outcome is far from certain, but all available resources will be utilized in an effort to produce an agreement that brings the most value to the highest number of Envoy pilots.
Lastly, if a tentative agreement can be reached, it will be subject to pilot ratification.
In Unity,
Envoy MEC Chairman
Fellow Envoy Pilots,
This is Sam Pool, your newly elected MEC Chairman. I was hoping to write an email introducing myself, my history of ALPA involvement, and a brief overview of where I stand on matters important to the ENY pilot group, but instead I find myself in the unique position of transmitting the following news without fanfare.
Yesterday, as part of my new duties, I introduced myself to company representatives as the chairman and a dialogue regarding the future of Envoy ensued. Everyone present agreed that the working men and women of Envoy would be well served if we re-engaged in negotiations with the stated purpose of finding an economic model more in line with AAG’s vision, while also providing the stability, growth and career progression that ENY pilots have earned.
In the very near future the company intends to present us with a written proposal outlining what changes to our CBA they believe are necessary to achieve their desired economics while maintaining the benefits of a wholly owned operation. ALPA has a defined process for these types of negotiations, and it is my intention that the MEC and Negotiating Committee follow these processes to conclusion.
It's important for you to be patient while the MEC with the advice and input of the Negotiating Committee and ALPA staff, reviews, analyzes and digests the offer and determines how best to respond. Now is not the time for rumors and speculation. Details will be released at the appropriate time.
Meanwhile, it is equally important that you engage your LEC representatives to provide your perspective on the path forward. Your voice will provide guidance to myself, the Status Reps and the Negotiating Committee.
Make no mistake, the path forward will not be without challenges and the outcome is far from certain, but all available resources will be utilized in an effort to produce an agreement that brings the most value to the highest number of Envoy pilots.
Lastly, if a tentative agreement can be reached, it will be subject to pilot ratification.
In Unity,
Envoy MEC Chairman
Sometimes a rose is a rose is a rose.
Last edited by AnotherEagleGuy; 10-24-2014 at 11:52 AM.
10-24-2014, 12:09 PM
#894
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The useful Envoy thread
Ok eagleguy. You have all the answers, keep in mind sometimes others know things you don't...this is one of them. Just like when you were positive about the "rumor" of Mia closing until they announced it 2 hours after you were so confident.
10-24-2014, 01:24 PM
#895
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Originally Posted by SkylineAviation
Ok eagleguy. You have all the answers, keep in mind sometimes others know things you don't...this is one of them. Just like when you were positive about the "rumor" of Mia closing until they announced it 2 hours after you were so confident.
I heard rumors for years LAX was going to close, then one day it actually happened. Goes to show you, say something often enough and once in a while you are right.
Btw, demands do not constitute as negotiations:
In the very near future the company intends to present us with a written proposal outlining what changes to our CBA they believe are necessary to achieve their desired economics
10-24-2014, 06:48 PM
#896
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
Heard it is remainder of the 130 175s with the 12/4 for new hires, $10,000 signing bonus for all pilots on property, improved flow, and insurance increase up to 35%........
cool, can you tell me what the 401k percentage will be too? I haven't seen their offer yet, in fact none of the MEC Reps have... what's your source if even we don't have it yet?
10-24-2014, 07:03 PM
#897
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Originally Posted by SkylineAviation
Not true. Talks are occurring whether or not they are termed "negotiations." Just because someone tells you they are not "negotiating" doesn't mean things aren't happening behind closed doors or informal meetings....they are not the same.
I'm positive talks are occurring whether you want to believe it or not. That's not to say anything will come to fruition.
I'm positive talks are occurring whether you want to believe it or not. That's not to say anything will come to fruition.
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