Well, ANYONE who makes career decisions based on Internet forum pilot blather is in bad shape. I criticized many who sat like wide-eyed puppies glued to every word "big dog" Mason said, but most were in love with him and too mesmerized to do anything but shoo me away.

At least you've made an important step of actually thinking for yourself. Some here have done little but start looking for a new messiah to repeat the same mistake over again. Siwwy piwots.........

 

You live, you learn, right?

 

When's the wedding

 

Was wondering if anyone could give me a total pilot count at Envoy, feel like this website is outdated. Thanks in advance

 

2500.......

 

Number 2490-something reporting for duty...

 

Stay home not worth coming in. Place is falling apart everywhere. The new PSA and PDT office and training center in Euless Texas is up and running just waiting for the low ballers to move in.

 

Sure they would. Look at Delta. They closed Comair and Sold ASA. None of their regional flying was wholly owned until they VERY RECENTLY (in the grand time frame) bought what is now Endeavor OUT OF BANKRUPTCY.

You are crazy to think they won't put the flying at the lowest cost carrier that can reliably do the flying. And not only do the regional carrier pilot really have no say, the regional managements have little or no say.

And now you are seeing the regional flying overall SHRINKING and mainline flying INCREASING and CEOs stating that is their future intention. Sorry, but you are simply WRONG!

 

I've been around this industry for more than 15 years. I'm not the "oldest of timers" but I'm not a newbie either. I've seen close-hand Comair shutdown. I've seen the growth in the early 2000s and the stagnation... I've seen the "new" regional airlines...the true start ups...

So, here's a question for everyone to ponder -

IF the market is so good for the regionals (they can whipsaw, 12/4 pay caps, and lots of pilots around) [all of which are actually imho the last gasp of a dying segment of the industry]

and SINCE the market and Mainline at ALL TIME HIGHS for profit taking (stock market peaked at over 17000---highest ever; huge profits at the now consolidated Majors AND LCCs like Spirit and Allegiant are #2-3)

THEN - why no truly NEW startup regionals?
Why ONLY the whipsaw...

Just food for thought... Hey, if the mainlines really think they can low-ball forever...why aren't we seeing NEW carriers. Like the next-generation SkyWest with no union? Just wondering. Mainlines are upgrading their fleets, reducing debt, ... LCCs are growing rapidly to fill a void ... but the regional flying is shrinking. If the resources (pilots at low pay) are really there...why nothing truly new?

I have my thoughts...but I thought I'd throw it out there...just for fun!

Say I'm Richard Anderson or Parker...why not say, 100% of you will flow, we'll do it fast, you're the new (and only) pipeline, we'll make it only you, etc....

The closest we've really come is Endeavor and that, from what I understand, isn't working (at least the EtoD...)...

 

Better question , if nobody is going to be at the regionals in 8 years, why is the 12/4 payscale so non negotiable?

Oh that's right. Scott Krby just told the APA pilots at the ORD meeting they will offer delta rates + 3% but they want scope relief (89 seats for regionals) in return