I don't see any regionals expanding anything. The regionals will actually be contracting due to lack of entry-level pilots. Many are scrambling to fly what they have now.

You're really shoveling a lot of **** here now, aren't you ?

 

Good point. The 40 orders will likely just be replacing E-145's, but unless Envoy suddenly becomes the utopia of regionals drawing hundreds of pilots from far and wide, AAG is unlikely to commit an option schedule to a stumbling carrier. Few in this industry invest in instability and no one is more unstable as Envoy presently is.

Perhaps, that's why this character has become a one woman sales sharknado here on this forum ?

 

No if we lose 47 CRJs and 50 145 like we are...so they can replace them all with the 175s. We know we are shrinking...and we will continue to shrink.

 

10k if you go from one of their preferred schools.

 

That was exactly my thought. If I were a pilot at Envoy and was hoping for growth and the flow to AA, I would be trying to convince everyone that I know to come to Envoy. (Actually, I would not personally do that, as I would not try to screw my friends for my benefit, but many people will).

 

Which regional is stable? So far no regional is stable, not even PSA.

The regional model is dying man.

 

The entire regional sector is a Ponzi scheme as the amount of people going out fArexceed those coming in. The tsa and psa models won't last forever and the second it hiccups many people will be left holding the bag.

 

That's what I said. Envoy situation specifically though is tenuous and it is in a perilous situation. If that weren't the case, they'd commit the options to you, but they didn't. Now, it seems they've got operatives in a full court press to ring a dinner bell for all pilots that will leave them hungry for many, many years.

Clearly, Envoy is desperate and if they don't get a strong stream of new hires, it will wither on the vine sooner rather then later. Besides, Envoy has several hundred senior pilots on 18-year captains scale raking in $120,000 a year (I used to be one of them). Parker would be a fool to shell that much out for pilots he doesn't have to compared to all the young pilots chasing upgrades for chump change.

With Envoy shrinking and the flow to AA likely to stop for the furloughees, I'd expect no reasonable upgrade opportunities for new-hires for a very long time, despite the fervent pitch of Envoys sales gal here.

 

Not unlike Envoy. Hey, you're in Envoy sales here as I recall.....is the diva beating your quota ?

 

I am just passing along info and helping those who want to get on.

I'm not sure how the regional industry will look in six months or a year, nor do you. One thing I've been saying for some time is desperate majors may close off the street hiring to the majors to preferred regionals. Imagine aa delta and even United did that, hey 80% of new hire slots are via this or that regional. It'll reshuffle the deck again and force some corporate and 135 guys to go into the regionals. Going forward the Onoy regionals that will survive will be those wh can reshuffle the deck. Right now it's psa and tsa but the second things move backwards that bubble will pop. Further ch11 at other places like rah are very possible as they can't fill contract, offer upgrades, or afford to pay higher.