Well, there goes NY. don't come to envoy if you're looking to be based there. Actually, just do yourself a favor and...don't come to envoy.

 

Last week, it was announced that American had reached an agreement with Bombardier Aerospace to purchase 24 additional CRJ900 NextGen regional jets, to be operated by PSA. As a result, the timeline of CRJ700 transfers from Envoy to PSA will be amended, with Envoy operating the CRJ700 aircraft type longer than previously planned.

Envoy will transfer 19 CRJ700s to PSA between June 2015 and January 2016. After January, there will be a hiatus in transfers before the 28 remaining CRJ700s are transferred to PSA, with the last transfer completed in 2017. This is good news for our team as it means that we will operate more large RJs in 2016 than we had previously anticipated.

At this time, we do not know what base the first 19 CRJ700s leaving Envoy will come from. American has, however, informed us that our EMB-140/145 operations at New York’s JFK and LGA airports will be replaced by another regional carrier by the fourth quarter of this year.

We are working to determine the impact on our New York based pilots, flight attendants and mechanics and to develop a transition timeline. We hope to accommodate as many of our impacted employees as possible at other locations in the system.

Envoy’s ground handling employees in LGA and JFK will continue to handle all American Eagle flights, regardless of operator, just as they do for American Eagle flights in Los Angeles (LAX) and Miami (MIA) today.

Looking ahead, Envoy is currently working with American to determine the initial operating location for the first of our new Embraer E175 aircraft, which is due to be delivered in November of this year. We hope to have more information to share with you soon.

Thank you for all you do – for our customers and each other.

Now new hires will be knocking the doors down to get in. Oh yes, how is that yes vote going for you.

 

Oh no thank you Mr Parker.

 

......Goodluck!

 

"we are working to determine the impact" on the ny employees
Does that need a spreadsheet?
This is double talk as most company communiques.
Here's your answer - you are losing your job but you can continue your pitiful existence in a geographical location that you never dreamed would be your home and most of your moving costs will be borne by you and your family will suffer because we can do that. Really, we hope the cost will be so high that you quit and we will not be liable for unemployment benefits as you voluntarily separated from a stellar AAG affiliate.

 

More bad news, we finally got a little hope then this. Any word on what carrier is going to get the planes?

 

TSA is getting 15 - probably those NYC birds according to POOL. The same ac different operator was the gist of the message.

 

Does anyone know the particulars of the flow through agreement? I read the language of it and I didn't see anything on whether or not you are required to upgrade to captain before flowing?... This would make a difference for me, and I assume many people, in choosing envoy because many of us put QOL before money. If I could be a senior FO flying turns until I get called (whether it be via flow or the app I will no doubt submit for a chance to be an off the street new hire) I think I could be ok with that.

I am a college student and am sitting on the sidelines, so to speak, with a little more than a year left of college and a CPL, watching the transformation of the industry right now and wondering if it may actually be a good idea to still consider the airline pilot career with all the projected retirements. I go to TCU (for those of you in the DFW area) and am faced with choosing a good paying job as soon as I graduate, or going to US aviation academy to finish my instructor ratings and getting a return on the 50k I spent getting the ratings I already have. Granted, I know I will not see the same income I could have by taking a job right after I graduate for awhile, but I think I may have weathered the storm and me be getting in at the perfect time if it's a couple of years from now? Any thoughts on that?

Is the industry really that bad guys? I've been scared away. I have read so many negative comments and articles it is so disheartening. I don't understand how everyone is still so toxic when everything points to the next 15 years being the best the industry has ever seen in terms of career potential. At least from all the research I've done. I know the last 15 years have been the worst, but it isn't too far fetched to think based on the facts that the old timers who got ****** by management, 911, '08 etc... to maybe tell the new generation of wannabe aviators that "ya know, it was terrible the last 15 years, but numbers don't lie, and the numbers point towards the next 15 years being some of the best the industry has ever seen!" Thoughts?!....

 

You will not be required to upgrade to CA before flowing to AA. That was only for the current group of flows (the 824), that was set up a long time ago, and is separate from the rest of the flow through. Yeah, things are crap at regionals like envoy right now, but who knows what the future holds. I think the company's know how bad staffing is going to get (and has already gotten), so they have thrown a Hail Mary to try and lock in crap pay and benefits now, because they KNOW they'll have to offer a LOT more to attract new talent in the near future. Endeavor is already offering a $20K / yr retention bonus, on top of the $24K minimum guarantee at first year pay. So a new hire at Endeavor could make a minimum $42K in year one. So far, envoy has not offered any such retention bonus. They seem to think that a flow through will entice new talent, but so far they have been proven wrong. A flow isn't going to do much good for a shrinking airline, if that airline ceases to exist at all. So far, the ones currently flowing have been here about 16 years.

 

312 thanks for the response! I heard about endeavor. It's exciting to see supply and demand theory at work in the regional industry. I know the industry is horrible right now at the regional level (I have friends at the regionals) but I cant help but try to embrace the "there's only one way you can go when you hit rock bottom" philosophy, and I have to believe that is where the industry has been and that it's on it's way out. God forbid it gets any worse than it already was/is.

I here you on the shrinking aspect, but I have a suspicion that it will be temporary and then will reverse considering the contract language. I think that at least some, if not all, the 90 frames will land on property in the future. Building off what you said about management locking in a crappy contract because they know they will have to offer way more in the near future, they will try to entice, and I think it will work, new hires with those frames and the flow because its a cheaper alternative than paying first year FO's 50k like they deserve. If anything the contract is 10 years right? Can AA shrink the regional to nothing per the contract or is there some sort of guarantee/clause for a minimum fleet? I really don't know.

Also, they can't shrink envoy to the point that it puts the flow pilots out of a job right? So as of right now isn't that like 1500 pilots, or even more? What are your thoughts on how things will really turn out, considering the 10 year contract, and the pilots on property right now that have flow through rights? Do you think that envoy will eventually get all 90 of those frames?