There is no news here?? Everyone already knows this right?

 

You better believe the threats were credible. PSA would of been gone in a year. Envoy pilots, I'm sorry this is happening. But PSA is not to blame. I don't want to hijack (another) Envoy tread here but seriously? You think anyone wanted this? Your mad at less than 150 remaining pilots in a pilot group of over 1,000 now. Be mad at management, not the pilots. The whipsaw will continue ad infinitum and PSA is not going to be immune to it either. It's the nature of this industry. We're growing today, and they will be trying to shove concessions down our throats tomorrow. Let everyone look and see what is happening at the AAG wholly-owneds and take a good long look.

 

That part is not new news, you are correct. CLT guy was asking in what form the company has told us they desire us to be half our size going forward. I was relaying the info we currently have.

 

Your MEC chairman cut off communication with other FFD carriers who were trying to stand together. His official stance was every pilot group for themselves, selfishness ruled the day. But you're right, You guys aren't to blame.

 

And he is now at AA lol


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But isn't that what alpa does? Alpa is a bottom up organization, not a top down. Either alpa has to change or alpa has to go. Otherwise just keep on b*tchin everybody.

 

If envoy is downsizing is it a good idea for me to go into the pipeline program. Or should I choose the 80k retention at endeavor? I don't understand why friends of mine are getting calls from envoy if they are downsizing. What about the 90 options on the 175? Hopefully all the April fools jokes are done because I have to make a choice soon. Please help.

 

Not a joke and I'd,pass on this shathole

 

Because they need suckers to keep the airline running long enough until they can move all the flying to other carriers and shut the place down in an orderly fashion without disrupting the customers. Then, they'll toss you out on the street along with the "lifer" captains who envoy believes is the source of their problems causing very high labor costs in comparison with the rest of the regional industry.

Envoy and American want a cost competitive labor structure, but it can't be had at envoy.

As an FO, you are not going to be added for growth, you are going to be added to replace the FO's who are already bailing for greener pastures. All the writing is on the wall, some are just refusing to see it. What ends up happening is the newly hired FO after about a year figures out "hey those guys weren't kidding, this place has got real problems".

 

Somebody please explain to me how the threat to PSA was real. Transfer your 200's to Air Wisconsin? What purpose would that serve other than cost them more money? You guys can try to spin it any way you like, but you took the cowards way out. Now it looks as if another pilot group needs to suffer the consequences. But hey, at least you got yours.